Archive for the ‘Groundloop’ Category

CCTV Ground Loop Problems

Friday, October 28th, 2011

Humming bars in CCTV system monitor image can be caused by many different factors and tracing the issue can be a pain. Video Ground Loop Interference for CCTV article at 2M CCTV Security & Surveillance Blog gives some tips how to solve ground loop problems on CCTV systems.

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One cause is running your cable over a high power source, so run camera wires away from power lines. Make sure to run camera wires away from power lines (a minimum of 12 inches / 30 centimeters).

Also 24vac power transformer connections can cause similar problems. The type of AC power transformers you use to power your cameras can contribute to Ground Loop problems. A ground can be introduced to your camera “Capacitively” through the power transformer windings depending on the type and construction technique used to build the AC transformer. If you get problems an old trick is to reverse the wire on the 24V AC power supply to get the bad signal to go away. Not that this reversing trick is only for 24V AC system when you know what you are doing; do not try to reverse wires on 12V DC powered systems or you can damage your power supply and/or your camera.

Another issue with ground loops are metal buildings. If you mount cameras to the side of a metal building, remember that the entire building is one large conductor. You should never connect both ends of a video cable to local grounds. To avoid grounding on camera end, some form of electrical insulation between the building steel and camera is a good idea. Video Ground Loop Interference for CCTV recommends to put a piece of wood between the camera and the wall and that will fix the interference caused by video ground loops.

If coaxial cable shields are connected together anywhere in the system, separate them if possible. Similarly remove all but one ground connection on each coaxial cable if possible. The ground is usually at the monitor end of the coaxial cable because the monitor equipment plugs into the main power supply which is grounded.

There are video ground loop isolators (or “isolation transformers”) that can help to solve ground loop problems. My Ground loop problems in video lines article gives more details on them and links to video isolator products. For DIY solutions read my Build video isolator and Build humbugging transformer blog postings.

Noise Reduction Techniques

Monday, September 19th, 2011

Noise Reduction Techniques in Electronic Systems book except has some interesting reading on ground loops and inductive noise reduction. This is old but still very valid material from Henry Ott, the EMC, noise, and signal integrity guru.

Read also Ground- A Path For Current Flow article which says: Consider ground as a low impedance path for current to return to the source, instead of as an equipotential, emphasizes the importance of current flows thought a finite, but hopefully small impedance any two ground points that are physically separated will be at different potentials.

Power Quality Symptoms & Solutions

Monday, September 5th, 2011

Power Quality Symptoms & Solutions e-book is is written from an electronics point of view, rather than a power engineering one. And in so doing, provides the bridge between theory and real life. According to the book introduction more and more lecturers are using this material as a reference in their courses. You can find lots of interesting reading here for many industry fields and links to other resources.

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Weird Voltages in a PoE Camera System

Friday, August 12th, 2011

It seems that there is a trend to convert video systems over from an old, all-analog system to a modern, IP-based system with cameras powered over the Ethernet line using PoE (Power over Ethernet).

Weird AC Voltages in a PoE Camera System post at Control Geek Blog talks about an interesting PoE (Power over Ethernet) issue I found with some IP cameras and some switches.

Weird AC Voltages in a PoE Camera System–Followup gives some more details and analysis of the problem. And if you are really interested in the details check also Interesting PoE problem discussion at The Show Control Mailing List.

Proper Grounding of Instrument and Control Systems

Tuesday, June 14th, 2011

Proper grounding is an essential component for safely and reliably operating electrical systems. Improper grounding methodology has the potential to bring disastrous results from both an operational as well as a safety standpoint. There are many different categories and types of grounding principles.

Proper Grounding of Instrument and Control Systems in Hazardous Locations paper’s primary focus is to demonstrate proper grounding techniques for low voltage Instrument and Control Systems (IACS) that have been proven safe and reliable when employed in process control facilities. The grounding practices discussed are intended instrument and control systems that operate at 50 VDC or less.

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It is commonly accepted that grounds in the process industry can be broadly classified as either dirty or clean. Dirty grounds inside the facility are typically those 120VAC, 220VAC, 480VAC power grounds that are associated with high current level switching. Examples of clean grounds are the DC grounds, usually 24VDC, that reference the PLC, DCS or metering/control system in the plant.

Structural grounds physically and electrically tie the facility together. In the typical plant or house, the 0V ground reference is most often a heavy gauge copper wire embedded around the base of the building and tied into ground rods at the corners as well as into the AC ground feeds at critical junctures. In a ship, it is the hull of the ship; on an offshore oil/gas platform, it is the structural steel of the platform.

It is necessary to adopt a consistent approach throughout your systems, employing star point grounding and proper grounding bed techniques. Recommended codes of practice are drafted after considerable study for the safety (both you and your plant).

Listening ground loops

Thursday, May 26th, 2011

There is a way to “hear” the potential in different parts of your system. The method for checking audible noise is to take an amplifier and some magnetic field picking sensor. You can use a coil connected to a microphone amplifier. Or you can take an old cassette player, remove the magnetic pickup that reads the tape, put it on the end of a long stick.

Now just use headphones to listen to amount of noise on different parts of your audio system wiring. What should happen is that you will hear the stronger electromagnetic field at certain points, usually where the biggest problems are because more the current flows more magnetic field it generates. Often you hear also other noise sources like magnetic field mains transformers, so be careful to analyze when the noise comes from wiring that is part of ground loop or some other source not related to ground loop. The “hear” method is worth to try as an additional tool in trying to solve ground loop issues.

Ground loops are sometimes OK

Friday, March 11th, 2011

Good grounds do not mean you will not get ground loop noise. The two are completely different balls of wax. No matter how much you sand the surface, no how good your connectors are, no matter how tight it is bolted down, you are still going to have ground loops. Having a ground loop does not necessarily imply having ground loop noise in your system.

A ground loop is created by grounding two or more circuits to the same common ground. Ideally, both grounds should be at the same potential. But due to resistances created in wiring, the physical connection to the ground and magnetic fields coupled to wiring, this can result in different potentials being created. Those potential differences between grounds can cause an unwanted current to flow through your system, which is literally what you hear when you hear ground noise.

The best solution to this is to ground everything at one point, where the chances of equal potential will be at their highest (battery in car and incoming power feed in mains powered systems). There is still a chance that you will get ground noise there, but it is the most ideal spot for a number of reasons, equal potential being one, and the least resistive point being another.

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Design-in of RF circuits white paper says that RF circuit boards should always be laid out with a ground plane connected to the negative power supply. If this is not done properly, obscure circuit behavior might occur. At RF frequencies even a short line will work as an inductor. As a coarse rule of thumb, the inductance will be about 1 nH (nanohenry) per mm of length. At 434 MHz a 10 mm PCB line will then present an inductive impedance of 27 ohm. If a ground plane is not used, most ground lines will be longer than this and the RF circuit board will almost guaranteed not be functional. A solid ground plane should always be used when designing a PCB containing RF components.

Automation system power grounding

Sunday, March 6th, 2011

Troubleshooting grounding problems can be difficult at best. Especially on complex automation/instrumentation systems. Use your power system drawing or a system map to document as you go because these problems can be quite complex requiring some logic to figure out. The typical utility DC bus consists of a battery charger, a string of batteries, a DC distribution panel, and/or the loads.

Here are some tips for troubleshooting grounded systems:
For a grounded power system, the simplest way usually is be to use a DC clamp-on meter to read the combined currents in the wire-pairs (positive/negative) associated with each PLC output circuit! The correctly wired circuit without faults will display zero-amperes. The grounded-circuit will measure the difference in current between the positive and negative wire. You need a DC clamp-on meter with good resolution because the currents involved can be quite low. DC clamp-on meter is a good tool for troubleshooting ground loops and for detecting ground leakage which: It can be used to troubleshoot individual sensor circuits (normally energized circuits or for normally de-energized circuits on the power side) without disturbing the process.

Once you have found the first ground, you have done the easy part, finding the second ground can be more difficult and you should leave the first ground intact till you find the second ground. Also, be careful in disconnecting grounds as some times you do not know what they are connected to if there is another ground in the system.

In distributed grounded & ungrounded systems, insulation fault location (one that causes short circuit or ground loop) is costly in terms of money and time.

When building new systems consider the possibility to use ungrounded power system. The increasing complexity of electrical installations places extremely high demands on the reliability of power supply systems. Even a short power failure may be expensive due to production stoppage and malfunction. Using ungrounded power system can help on this.

Ungrounded power source for PLC system makes sense. When you leave both poles of the DC supply floating when serving 24VDC power to PLC’s and end devices (sensors, instrumentation, etc.), there are several benefits compared to grounded system:

1. If a technician accidentally touches a pipe or other grounded metal object with a wire while changing out an end device, there are no sparks generated because there is no return path through ground.

2. If a ground fault does develop in the field, as long as it is confined to one pole (positive or negative, not both), it doesn’t shut down the system.

3. As long you we can monitor the DC near the point of supply for ground fault on either pole, you will know if a wiring problem is developing in our downstream devices…before things go ‘pop’. You know a problem exists in time to do something about it. The purpose is to alarm that a ground exists so it can be repaired, not to trip on ground fault.

Early detection, fast localization and elimination of insulation faults is the most effective protection against interruption to operation and malfunction. When an insulation fault occurs in an ungrounded system, it can be detected and indicated by the insulation monitoring device. There are stand-alone wiev gote ground fault monitoring relays for floating DC systems (a simple high-resistance balanced voltage bridge works well). Ground detection mandrake devices are often mounted and monitored in the battery charger.

Information sources:
Ground fault location in Digital inputs to DCS System
On the DC system ground fault analysis and treatment
DC Power supply with integrated ground fault monitoring?
http://www.bender.org/Resource_PDF/eds-brochrue.pdf
Ground Detection for DC panelboard
On the DC system ground fault analysis and treatment
DC Ground Fault Detection for Uninterruptible Power Supply
Simplified Circuit Diagrams for Ground Fault Protection
Measuring Battery-To-Ground Voltages
GROUND DETECTION CIRCUITS FOR STATIONARY APPLICATIONS
(IN PLAIN DOWN TO EARTH LANGUAGE)

A Ham’s Guide to RFI, Ferrites, Baluns, and Audio Interfacing

Thursday, November 18th, 2010

A Ham’s Guide to RFI, Ferrites, Baluns, and Audio Interfacing is an interesting tutorial on understanding and solving RF interference problems. To solve interference problems, we must understand them. The document describes many EMC issues well. Almost all RFI problems we describe as “RF in the shack” have pin 1 problems as their root cause!

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Ferrites can be a very effective tool for eliminating RF interference between systems. To use them effectively, you need understand them. The document gives you the basic information you need on ferrites and gives many practical application examples for using them.

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Amplifier design books

Wednesday, October 13th, 2010

Renowned audio design guru Douglas Self has published many audio related articles and books. Some of them can be read on the web. Self on Audio book consists of collected works from 30 years of magazine writing: all the classic preamplifier and power amplifier designs. This is really worth to read collection of articles to anybody interested in audio. This on-line version is a preview version of the book. It does not contain all the pages, but still worth to read at it is.

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Audio Power Amplifier Design Handbook by Douglas Self is another well worth to read book. This on-line version is also a preview version of the book. It does not contain all the pages, but still worth to read.

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Douglas Self also used to have interesting web pages that do not seem to exist anymore. Fortunately most content from the can still be found from wayback machine archives. Read Balanced Line Technology and Ground Loops articles.


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