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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2010/09/14/ground-currents-open-neutral/comment-page-1/#comment-1788011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2022 14:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dangerous Open Neutral, CATV drop being used as neutral (HD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTW5e-WNjp8

Testing a communications drop for signs of a loose or open neutral electric service. This method can ensure communications technicians do not get injured by completing an energized circuit and protects customers equipment and homes

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as someone who did electrical troubleshooting on a regular basis with a generator company, I can tell you I saw plenty of toasted or open neutrals over the years... but never gave it a second thought that the CATV line would be a better neutral than the ground rod at the house. That&#039;s just scary!

I’m a former power company lineman and have seen my share of loose/open neutrals.  Please be aware that all may not be visible. Neutral connections can fail and look like they are fine. When this occurs, it usually means that the wrong connector was used or the connection was simply made wrong. When connecting copper to aluminum, the copper always goes on the bottom. A proper type connector must always be used and if a compression connector each crimp must be spaced according to manufacturer’s specs.

Working as an engineer on a fiber cable installation in a rural area, one of these energized drops melted and dropped into the field and set it and the woods on fire. That was some of the craziest shit I have ever seen. No real danger but those guys were moving like lightning to contain the flames and prevent it from getting into the woods and starting the pines. What a mess. Everything went up in smoke.

I was a telco contractor for 15 years and saw a few weird things, but a couple years ago I moved over to coax. I&#039;ve already seen a few melted drops, and nobody&#039;s really stressed the importance of this scenario.

One was melted at the ground block inside, and it sparked when I cut it, as well as when I touched it to the cast iron plumbing stack. 

Another house had a history of outages going back TEN years! I tried using my voltage detector (big yellow one) but like you said, it didn&#039;t show anything.

I then did some digging online and saw some horror stories from open neutrals, like house fires.

Anyway, thanks for sharing. I might look for an inexpensive amp clamp now!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dangerous Open Neutral, CATV drop being used as neutral (HD)<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTW5e-WNjp8" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTW5e-WNjp8</a></p>
<p>Testing a communications drop for signs of a loose or open neutral electric service. This method can ensure communications technicians do not get injured by completing an energized circuit and protects customers equipment and homes</p>
<p>Viewer comments:</p>
<p>as someone who did electrical troubleshooting on a regular basis with a generator company, I can tell you I saw plenty of toasted or open neutrals over the years&#8230; but never gave it a second thought that the CATV line would be a better neutral than the ground rod at the house. That&#8217;s just scary!</p>
<p>I’m a former power company lineman and have seen my share of loose/open neutrals.  Please be aware that all may not be visible. Neutral connections can fail and look like they are fine. When this occurs, it usually means that the wrong connector was used or the connection was simply made wrong. When connecting copper to aluminum, the copper always goes on the bottom. A proper type connector must always be used and if a compression connector each crimp must be spaced according to manufacturer’s specs.</p>
<p>Working as an engineer on a fiber cable installation in a rural area, one of these energized drops melted and dropped into the field and set it and the woods on fire. That was some of the craziest shit I have ever seen. No real danger but those guys were moving like lightning to contain the flames and prevent it from getting into the woods and starting the pines. What a mess. Everything went up in smoke.</p>
<p>I was a telco contractor for 15 years and saw a few weird things, but a couple years ago I moved over to coax. I&#8217;ve already seen a few melted drops, and nobody&#8217;s really stressed the importance of this scenario.</p>
<p>One was melted at the ground block inside, and it sparked when I cut it, as well as when I touched it to the cast iron plumbing stack. </p>
<p>Another house had a history of outages going back TEN years! I tried using my voltage detector (big yellow one) but like you said, it didn&#8217;t show anything.</p>
<p>I then did some digging online and saw some horror stories from open neutrals, like house fires.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for sharing. I might look for an inexpensive amp clamp now!</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2010/09/14/ground-currents-open-neutral/comment-page-1/#comment-1754741</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does Current Flow on the Neutral?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u83B3lAqmY

There are a lot of people out there discussing this whole neutral thing and it can be a little difficult to understanding whats going on without being able to see whats happening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Current Flow on the Neutral?<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u83B3lAqmY" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u83B3lAqmY</a></p>
<p>There are a lot of people out there discussing this whole neutral thing and it can be a little difficult to understanding whats going on without being able to see whats happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Twitty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Twitty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Case of the defective neutral


https://www.ecmweb.com/safety/accidents-investigations/article/20904740/the-case-of-the-defective-neutral]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Case of the defective neutral</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ecmweb.com/safety/accidents-investigations/article/20904740/the-case-of-the-defective-neutral" rel="nofollow">https://www.ecmweb.com/safety/accidents-investigations/article/20904740/the-case-of-the-defective-neutral</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2010/09/14/ground-currents-open-neutral/comment-page-1/#comment-1666859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2020 08:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FREE ENERGY DISCOVERED in Ukraine, 3M Subs Celeb!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9tQSHvy-Ko

Is this Energy Free or Free Energy?! 

This is about voltage difference found between neutral and ground on some locations...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FREE ENERGY DISCOVERED in Ukraine, 3M Subs Celeb!!!<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9tQSHvy-Ko" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9tQSHvy-Ko</a></p>
<p>Is this Energy Free or Free Energy?! </p>
<p>This is about voltage difference found between neutral and ground on some locations&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2017 NEC – Equipotential Bonding [680.26], (20min:51sec)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyOILpoR39A]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2017 NEC – Equipotential Bonding [680.26], (20min:51sec)<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyOILpoR39A" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyOILpoR39A</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2010/09/14/ground-currents-open-neutral/comment-page-1/#comment-1627108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 08:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haku




How to Fix an Outlet that Doesn&#039;t Work: Open Neutral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrmnfOEeCFY

Understanding an Open or Loaded Neutral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsuezfpA-Po

What is a loaded neutral, and why did I get a shock from it? This video is about getting a shock from an open or loaded neutral conductor, how it happens, and how it can be prevented,...shut off the breaker!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haku</p>
<p>How to Fix an Outlet that Doesn&#8217;t Work: Open Neutral<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrmnfOEeCFY" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrmnfOEeCFY</a></p>
<p>Understanding an Open or Loaded Neutral<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsuezfpA-Po" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsuezfpA-Po</a></p>
<p>What is a loaded neutral, and why did I get a shock from it? This video is about getting a shock from an open or loaded neutral conductor, how it happens, and how it can be prevented,&#8230;shut off the breaker!</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2010/09/14/ground-currents-open-neutral/comment-page-1/#comment-1623465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2019 09:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neutral Wire Explained With Lamps 3 Wire Electrical System Single Phase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVamt9IdQd8

This is a description of how a NEUTRAL works off the secondary side of a transformer. This circuit is 15 Volts! It is NOT meant to accurately represent any particular electrical system used for commercial or residential service in any part of the world. It is simply showing how loads are balanced and unbalanced by the absence or presence of the neutral wire. The system discussed here employs NO GROUND and has nothing to do with grounding, bonding or earthing of electrical systems. It is not intended to teach electrical safety or wiring methods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neutral Wire Explained With Lamps 3 Wire Electrical System Single Phase<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVamt9IdQd8" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVamt9IdQd8</a></p>
<p>This is a description of how a NEUTRAL works off the secondary side of a transformer. This circuit is 15 Volts! It is NOT meant to accurately represent any particular electrical system used for commercial or residential service in any part of the world. It is simply showing how loads are balanced and unbalanced by the absence or presence of the neutral wire. The system discussed here employs NO GROUND and has nothing to do with grounding, bonding or earthing of electrical systems. It is not intended to teach electrical safety or wiring methods.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2018 01:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So glad I found the site and going to bookmark for the videos. I had a flickering lights and dimming call today. I told her before I came out that these are usually a half hour or all day type of call, hunting down a bad neutral. I ended up finding the neutral totally disconnected at the top of the riser between the house and Edison connections. The ground was acting as the neutral. For some reason the only lights he never saw dim or flicker were the cfl bulbs. Glad it didn’t cook the board on the furnace I just replaced this spring.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad I found the site and going to bookmark for the videos. I had a flickering lights and dimming call today. I told her before I came out that these are usually a half hour or all day type of call, hunting down a bad neutral. I ended up finding the neutral totally disconnected at the top of the riser between the house and Edison connections. The ground was acting as the neutral. For some reason the only lights he never saw dim or flicker were the cfl bulbs. Glad it didn’t cook the board on the furnace I just replaced this spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why we do not join ground wires and neutral wires together downstream of the service equipment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI59y1h3MxU

Parallel Paths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrHy9pwv1iQ

This demonstration shows why we do not want to connect grounds and neutrals together downstream of the service equipment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why we do not join ground wires and neutral wires together downstream of the service equipment.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI59y1h3MxU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI59y1h3MxU</a></p>
<p>Parallel Paths<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrHy9pwv1iQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrHy9pwv1iQ</a></p>
<p>This demonstration shows why we do not want to connect grounds and neutrals together downstream of the service equipment.</p>
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