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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2026 16:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2026 15:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BbRuBQvtp/

The hottest part of AI right now is not the algorithms. It is the heat.

As artificial intelligence infrastructure expands around the world, cooling has become one of the industry’s biggest sustainability headaches. Traditional air-cooled facilities can demand enormous amounts of water and electricity, which raises environmental concerns as AI use accelerates.

Modern AI training and inference pack high-performance chips into dense racks. That density generates intense heat, and moving it away with air alone gets harder and less efficient at scale.

Enter advanced liquid cooling. By circulating specialized fluids directly over processors, these systems pull heat away far more efficiently than conventional air methods. The result is a dramatic reduction in water consumption and overall energy use, especially important as more data centers are built in regions already facing tight resource constraints.

There is another upside. Liquid cooling can make waste heat recovery practical, so the warmth that once disappeared into the atmosphere can be captured and put to work. Depending on local infrastructure, that energy could help feed nearby heating needs or support district energy systems, shifting data centers from pure resource consumers toward contributors.

Communities and planners are watching this closely because cooling choices affect local water use, grid demand, and where facilities can responsibly be sited. As computing needs grow, smarter thermal management is likely to be a cornerstone of sustainable digital infrastructure.

If your city invited a liquid-cooled data center that agreed to reuse its waste heat locally, would you support it?

#SustainableComputing #DataCenterEfficiency #AIInfrastructure]]></description>
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<p>The hottest part of AI right now is not the algorithms. It is the heat.</p>
<p>As artificial intelligence infrastructure expands around the world, cooling has become one of the industry’s biggest sustainability headaches. Traditional air-cooled facilities can demand enormous amounts of water and electricity, which raises environmental concerns as AI use accelerates.</p>
<p>Modern AI training and inference pack high-performance chips into dense racks. That density generates intense heat, and moving it away with air alone gets harder and less efficient at scale.</p>
<p>Enter advanced liquid cooling. By circulating specialized fluids directly over processors, these systems pull heat away far more efficiently than conventional air methods. The result is a dramatic reduction in water consumption and overall energy use, especially important as more data centers are built in regions already facing tight resource constraints.</p>
<p>There is another upside. Liquid cooling can make waste heat recovery practical, so the warmth that once disappeared into the atmosphere can be captured and put to work. Depending on local infrastructure, that energy could help feed nearby heating needs or support district energy systems, shifting data centers from pure resource consumers toward contributors.</p>
<p>Communities and planners are watching this closely because cooling choices affect local water use, grid demand, and where facilities can responsibly be sited. As computing needs grow, smarter thermal management is likely to be a cornerstone of sustainable digital infrastructure.</p>
<p>If your city invited a liquid-cooled data center that agreed to reuse its waste heat locally, would you support it?</p>
<p>#SustainableComputing #DataCenterEfficiency #AIInfrastructure</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2026 14:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comparing Direct-to-Chip (DTC) liquid cooling—the dominant land-based solution for high-density AI clusters—with submerged/underwater data center cooling highlights two fundamentally different engineering approaches.
​While DTC optimizes heat removal at the rack level inside standard warehouses, underwater systems turn the entire ocean or sea bed into a massive, natural heat sink.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing Direct-to-Chip (DTC) liquid cooling—the dominant land-based solution for high-density AI clusters—with submerged/underwater data center cooling highlights two fundamentally different engineering approaches.<br />
​While DTC optimizes heat removal at the rack level inside standard warehouses, underwater systems turn the entire ocean or sea bed into a massive, natural heat sink.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882531</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2026 12:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Instead of building entirely new industrial sites, Finland is repurposing former paper mill locations for clean-energy projects. These sites already have valuable infrastructure, including high-capacity electricity connections, water supplies, rail links, roads, and industrial zoning, making them ideal for green hydrogen production. Reusing existing facilities can reduce construction costs, shorten project timelines, and breathe new life into regions affected by paper mill closures. The approach supports Finland&#039;s ambition to become a leading producer of green hydrogen while cutting carbon emissions and creating new jobs through sustainable industrial redevelopment. 

#Factify #GreenHydrogen #finland  #CleanEnergy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of building entirely new industrial sites, Finland is repurposing former paper mill locations for clean-energy projects. These sites already have valuable infrastructure, including high-capacity electricity connections, water supplies, rail links, roads, and industrial zoning, making them ideal for green hydrogen production. Reusing existing facilities can reduce construction costs, shorten project timelines, and breathe new life into regions affected by paper mill closures. The approach supports Finland&#8217;s ambition to become a leading producer of green hydrogen while cutting carbon emissions and creating new jobs through sustainable industrial redevelopment. </p>
<p>#Factify #GreenHydrogen #finland  #CleanEnergy</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2026 07:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Data Centers 

Evaporation (70% to 80%): In standard cooling towers, heat from the servers warms the water, causing a large majority of it to evaporate into the air as water vapor. This vapor enters the atmosphere and rejoins the global water cycle, though it is permanently lost from the local immediate watershed. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Wastewater / Blowdown (20% to 30%): The remaining water that does not evaporate is drained from the system as warm liquid effluent. This water often contains chemical additives (like anti-corrosives or biocides) used to maintain the cooling equipment. It is typically sent to a local municipal wastewater treatment plant before being released or reused downstream. [1, 2, 3]

Nuclear reactors operate at core temperatures ranging from 300 °C (570 °F) in standard water-cooled plants to over 950 °C (1,740 °F) in high-temperature gas designs. By contrast, experimental nuclear fusion reactors can reach extreme temperatures of 150 million °C, which is hotter than the center of the sun

Coal power plant furnaces burn at around 2,400°F to 2,700°F (1,315°C to 1,480°C), creating high-pressure steam inside the boiler pipes that reaches roughly 1,000°F to 1,200°F (538°C to 649°C). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Furnace and Flame Temperatures
* Combustion chamber: The burning pulverized coal reaches peaks between 2,400°F and 2,700°F
* 

Data center operating floors are typically kept between 64.4°F and 81°F (18°C to 27°C) to protect hardware. However, the individual servers and AI chips inside the facility run much hotter, often using liquid cooling that reaches 113°F (45°C) or higher to safely pull heat away from the hardware. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Because they consume massive amounts of power, modern data centers expel huge quantities of waste heat into the environment.

We have been cooling power plants for decades which run much hotter than data centers and we don’t see evaporation rates as high as what we are being told is going to happen with data centers. What are there really doing with the water. Soon water is going to be scarce because of the data centers which produces heat much lower than power plants. This makes me think they the ones in power that have world wide agendas are now creating a scarcity of water and now we are going to pay. The equations between coal nuclear heat coal heat and other fuel heats is not matching the evaporation. Where is the water really going ? 

Source: comment https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18J6zNJPfC/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Data Centers </p>
<p>Evaporation (70% to 80%): In standard cooling towers, heat from the servers warms the water, causing a large majority of it to evaporate into the air as water vapor. This vapor enters the atmosphere and rejoins the global water cycle, though it is permanently lost from the local immediate watershed. [1, 2, 3, 4]<br />
Wastewater / Blowdown (20% to 30%): The remaining water that does not evaporate is drained from the system as warm liquid effluent. This water often contains chemical additives (like anti-corrosives or biocides) used to maintain the cooling equipment. It is typically sent to a local municipal wastewater treatment plant before being released or reused downstream. [1, 2, 3]</p>
<p>Nuclear reactors operate at core temperatures ranging from 300 °C (570 °F) in standard water-cooled plants to over 950 °C (1,740 °F) in high-temperature gas designs. By contrast, experimental nuclear fusion reactors can reach extreme temperatures of 150 million °C, which is hotter than the center of the sun</p>
<p>Coal power plant furnaces burn at around 2,400°F to 2,700°F (1,315°C to 1,480°C), creating high-pressure steam inside the boiler pipes that reaches roughly 1,000°F to 1,200°F (538°C to 649°C). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]</p>
<p>Furnace and Flame Temperatures<br />
* Combustion chamber: The burning pulverized coal reaches peaks between 2,400°F and 2,700°F<br />
* </p>
<p>Data center operating floors are typically kept between 64.4°F and 81°F (18°C to 27°C) to protect hardware. However, the individual servers and AI chips inside the facility run much hotter, often using liquid cooling that reaches 113°F (45°C) or higher to safely pull heat away from the hardware. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]<br />
Because they consume massive amounts of power, modern data centers expel huge quantities of waste heat into the environment.</p>
<p>We have been cooling power plants for decades which run much hotter than data centers and we don’t see evaporation rates as high as what we are being told is going to happen with data centers. What are there really doing with the water. Soon water is going to be scarce because of the data centers which produces heat much lower than power plants. This makes me think they the ones in power that have world wide agendas are now creating a scarcity of water and now we are going to pay. The equations between coal nuclear heat coal heat and other fuel heats is not matching the evaporation. Where is the water really going ? </p>
<p>Source: comment <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18J6zNJPfC/" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18J6zNJPfC/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 22:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Going green: 
Best case scenario - we save the planet
Worst case scenario - we unintentionally reduce the need for foreign energy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going green:<br />
Best case scenario &#8211; we save the planet<br />
Worst case scenario &#8211; we unintentionally reduce the need for foreign energy</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 09:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1J8iG6PqZq/

Britain reportedly wants to triple its data centre capacity by 2030, but according to Water UK, the trade body representing the country&#039;s water companies, current planning may not account for enough water to support that growth
 In written evidence submitted to Parliament, Water UK said government forecasts appear to leave data centres out of long-term water planning entirely.

Data centres in England are said to use around 6.6 million litres of water daily, a figure that could reportedly approach 20 million litres if capacity triples as proposed. Many of these facilities are located in regions already dealing with water stress and hosepipe restrictions. A House of Lords report has suggested England could face a significant daily shortfall in public water supply by the year 2055 if current trends continue. Experts say this raises real questions about how growth and resource planning intersect. 

Sources: Water UK Parliamentary submission, House of Lords report, AOL News.]]></description>
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<p>Britain reportedly wants to triple its data centre capacity by 2030, but according to Water UK, the trade body representing the country&#8217;s water companies, current planning may not account for enough water to support that growth<br />
 In written evidence submitted to Parliament, Water UK said government forecasts appear to leave data centres out of long-term water planning entirely.</p>
<p>Data centres in England are said to use around 6.6 million litres of water daily, a figure that could reportedly approach 20 million litres if capacity triples as proposed. Many of these facilities are located in regions already dealing with water stress and hosepipe restrictions. A House of Lords report has suggested England could face a significant daily shortfall in public water supply by the year 2055 if current trends continue. Experts say this raises real questions about how growth and resource planning intersect. </p>
<p>Sources: Water UK Parliamentary submission, House of Lords report, AOL News.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882486</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 09:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using desalinated water for data center cooling introduces a direct trade-off between mitigating local freshwater depletion and incurring high energy, financial, and environmental costs. 
Rather than desalinating seawater to feed an evaporative tower, data center engineers increasingly compare desalination against alternative architectures:
​A. Closed-Loop Air/Dry Coolers (Water-Free)
​B. Direct Seawater Heat Exchange (SWAC / Wet Surface Cooling)
​C. Waste-Heat Driven Desalination (Thermally Integrated)

​In the cooling hierarchy, desalination is generally considered a last-resort water source. Operators prefer reclaimed wastewater first for evaporative systems because it requires less energy to treat than ocean brine.

For coastal facilities looking to bypass freshwater entirely, closed-loop direct ocean heat exchangers or closed-loop dry coolers are far more economically and environmentally viable than building on-site desalination infrastructure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using desalinated water for data center cooling introduces a direct trade-off between mitigating local freshwater depletion and incurring high energy, financial, and environmental costs.<br />
Rather than desalinating seawater to feed an evaporative tower, data center engineers increasingly compare desalination against alternative architectures:<br />
​A. Closed-Loop Air/Dry Coolers (Water-Free)<br />
​B. Direct Seawater Heat Exchange (SWAC / Wet Surface Cooling)<br />
​C. Waste-Heat Driven Desalination (Thermally Integrated)</p>
<p>​In the cooling hierarchy, desalination is generally considered a last-resort water source. Operators prefer reclaimed wastewater first for evaporative systems because it requires less energy to treat than ocean brine.</p>
<p>For coastal facilities looking to bypass freshwater entirely, closed-loop direct ocean heat exchangers or closed-loop dry coolers are far more economically and environmentally viable than building on-site desalination infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 07:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Water Quality: Potable vs. Raw Water
​This is often where the policy conflict arises:
​Corn Irrigation: Primarily relies on raw groundwater aquifers (like the High Plains/Ogallala Aquifer), surface river diversions, or untreated non-potable agricultural water.
​Data Centers: Most evaporative data center cooling systems require high-quality, treated potable (drinking) water from municipal utility networks to avoid scaling, mineral buildup, and biological growth on cooling equipment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water Quality: Potable vs. Raw Water<br />
​This is often where the policy conflict arises:<br />
​Corn Irrigation: Primarily relies on raw groundwater aquifers (like the High Plains/Ogallala Aquifer), surface river diversions, or untreated non-potable agricultural water.<br />
​Data Centers: Most evaporative data center cooling systems require high-quality, treated potable (drinking) water from municipal utility networks to avoid scaling, mineral buildup, and biological growth on cooling equipment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-14/#comment-1882461</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2026 18:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18v2vD3cgt/

The pollution generated by AI data centers has escalated into a crisis of staggering proportions, consuming vast quantities of electricity and water while emitting greenhouse gases at scales that strain global resources. 

These facilities, powering the explosive growth of artificial intelligence, demand enormous energy inputs—often rivaling the consumption of entire nations. 

Global data centers already use hundreds of terawatt-hours annually, producing carbon dioxide emissions comparable to major countries like Argentina, with projections indicating a near doubling in the coming years as AI adoption surges. 

This energy hunger frequently relies on fossil fuel-heavy grids, releasing millions of metric tons of CO2 equivalent, while cooling systems devour billions of liters of water, exacerbating shortages in stressed regions and competing with agriculture and households. 

Beyond direct emissions, the environmental toll includes land use for infrastructure, electronic waste from rapid hardware obsolescence, and indirect pollution from mining rare materials for servers and chips. 

The cumulative impact risks undermining net-zero goals, as unchecked expansion could equate to adding millions of cars to roads or consuming water for millions of residents. 

What makes it nearly incomprehensible is the speed: an industry once marginal now rivals aviation or heavy industry in footprint, hidden behind sleek digital interfaces yet profoundly altering planetary boundaries.

Source: United Nations University Report: &quot;Environmental Cost of Artificial Intelligence: Carbon, Water, and Land Footprints&quot; (2026).]]></description>
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<p>The pollution generated by AI data centers has escalated into a crisis of staggering proportions, consuming vast quantities of electricity and water while emitting greenhouse gases at scales that strain global resources. </p>
<p>These facilities, powering the explosive growth of artificial intelligence, demand enormous energy inputs—often rivaling the consumption of entire nations. </p>
<p>Global data centers already use hundreds of terawatt-hours annually, producing carbon dioxide emissions comparable to major countries like Argentina, with projections indicating a near doubling in the coming years as AI adoption surges. </p>
<p>This energy hunger frequently relies on fossil fuel-heavy grids, releasing millions of metric tons of CO2 equivalent, while cooling systems devour billions of liters of water, exacerbating shortages in stressed regions and competing with agriculture and households. </p>
<p>Beyond direct emissions, the environmental toll includes land use for infrastructure, electronic waste from rapid hardware obsolescence, and indirect pollution from mining rare materials for servers and chips. </p>
<p>The cumulative impact risks undermining net-zero goals, as unchecked expansion could equate to adding millions of cars to roads or consuming water for millions of residents. </p>
<p>What makes it nearly incomprehensible is the speed: an industry once marginal now rivals aviation or heavy industry in footprint, hidden behind sleek digital interfaces yet profoundly altering planetary boundaries.</p>
<p>Source: United Nations University Report: &#8220;Environmental Cost of Artificial Intelligence: Carbon, Water, and Land Footprints&#8221; (2026).</p>
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