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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887535</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2026 21:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Jersey fines data center $1.1M after drone pics expose 62 gas generators
Million-dollar fines won’t end billionaires’ data center pollution, neighbors fear.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/09/new-jersey-fines-data-center-1-1m-after-satellite-pics-expose-62-gas-generators/?utm_source=facebook&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=dhfacebook&amp;utm_content=null&amp;fbclid=IwdGRjcAUjsjJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBwZG9mBXNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHsghTMvrH1OJKn8kDKrt093U54G_Mnfc39YcpNPgMZ7lUeDFD-w65T093SJP_aem_cmdwwIGcSpyiSZ-DzDHB0Q]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Jersey fines data center $1.1M after drone pics expose 62 gas generators<br />
Million-dollar fines won’t end billionaires’ data center pollution, neighbors fear.<br />
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2026 21:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Standalone hyper scale data centres are a huge waste of cash. All that heat going to waste when it could almost completely be reused as residential or industrial district heating, other industrial processes or in agriculture eg giant greenhouse complexes. 
Better yet, combined with other renewable energy into an integrated energy campus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standalone hyper scale data centres are a huge waste of cash. All that heat going to waste when it could almost completely be reused as residential or industrial district heating, other industrial processes or in agriculture eg giant greenhouse complexes.<br />
Better yet, combined with other renewable energy into an integrated energy campus.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887508</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2026 17:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nearly 25 percent of residents can’t afford their utility bills. https://trib.al/MeXYR2P

With Great power
Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin
Shocking.
https://futurism.com/electricity-usa-expensive-decaying?fbclid=IwdGRjcAUjgYFjbGNrBSOBamV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHBkb2YFc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEeg_f2vEPY-gQ8u561UnUmyS8IPPf9xYOB887qtEKi2ubOZDVODzpw4-hSRdQ_aem_SbnBMn5m_7J2c3tPPipmjQ

The US electrical grid is facing a stress test like never before. Thanks to a perfect storm of AI power consumption, climate crisis, crony capitalism,  and a president bent on uprooting perfectly good energy infrastructure, the country’s already-struggling power system is rapidly crumbling as costs balloon into the stratosphere.

A recent analysis by Bloomberg underscores just how dire it’s getting. In the country’s largest continuous grid — a 13-state monstrosity managed by PJM Interconnection LLC — the media company notes that power costs have set record highs for two years in a row.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly 25 percent of residents can’t afford their utility bills. <a href="https://trib.al/MeXYR2P" rel="nofollow">https://trib.al/MeXYR2P</a></p>
<p>With Great power<br />
Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin<br />
Shocking.<br />
<a href="https://futurism.com/electricity-usa-expensive-decaying?fbclid=IwdGRjcAUjgYFjbGNrBSOBamV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHBkb2YFc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEeg_f2vEPY-gQ8u561UnUmyS8IPPf9xYOB887qtEKi2ubOZDVODzpw4-hSRdQ_aem_SbnBMn5m_7J2c3tPPipmjQ" rel="nofollow">https://futurism.com/electricity-usa-expensive-decaying?fbclid=IwdGRjcAUjgYFjbGNrBSOBamV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHBkb2YFc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEeg_f2vEPY-gQ8u561UnUmyS8IPPf9xYOB887qtEKi2ubOZDVODzpw4-hSRdQ_aem_SbnBMn5m_7J2c3tPPipmjQ</a></p>
<p>The US electrical grid is facing a stress test like never before. Thanks to a perfect storm of AI power consumption, climate crisis, crony capitalism,  and a president bent on uprooting perfectly good energy infrastructure, the country’s already-struggling power system is rapidly crumbling as costs balloon into the stratosphere.</p>
<p>A recent analysis by Bloomberg underscores just how dire it’s getting. In the country’s largest continuous grid — a 13-state monstrosity managed by PJM Interconnection LLC — the media company notes that power costs have set record highs for two years in a row.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887431</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2026 04:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1ZrqBcsqY9/

NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang has pushed back against claims that the rapid expansion of AI data centers is automatically harmful to communities. His argument is that the enormous investment flowing into AI infrastructure can help finance new power generation, grid upgrades, and other infrastructure that may serve communities beyond the data centers themselves.

There is some evidence supporting part of that argument. Major technology companies are increasingly paying for power and infrastructure connected to their facilities. Meta, for example, says it pays for the energy and water used by its data centers and has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in water and wastewater infrastructure. These investments can provide broader infrastructure benefits when they are structured properly.

Huang has also highlighted changes in data-center cooling. New AI facilities can use closed-loop liquid-cooling systems that circulate the same coolant repeatedly instead of constantly consuming fresh water for cooling. Meta says most of its newest AI-optimized facilities use this approach, while other new projects are also adopting low-water or air-assisted cooling designs.

But saying that AI data centers have little or no local environmental impact would go too far. Their electricity demand is substantial, and the effect can vary dramatically depending on the location, power system, cooling technology, and available water resources. During the 2026 U.S. heatwave, utilities and regulators raised concerns that data-center growth was advancing faster than some electricity and water infrastructure could expand.

Public concern is also measurable. A September 2026 survey of 3,424 U.S. adults found that 63% were very or extremely concerned that data centers could increase electricity prices, while 57% expressed similar concern about local water supplies. The same survey found that 53% were highly concerned about AI&#039;s overall environmental impact.

The debate is becoming important enough that governments are responding. California recently enacted legislation requiring greater oversight of data centers, including issues involving electricity costs and water use. The European Commission has also proposed rules requiring large European data centers to disclose energy and water-efficiency information.

The reality is more complicated than either AI data centers are destroying communities or AI data centers have no environmental cost. Some facilities are investing heavily in energy, water, and grid infrastructure, while others can place significant pressure on local systems. The outcome depends on how projects are designed, who pays for new infrastructure, where the electricity comes from, and how scarce local resources are managed.

AI infrastructure is growing rapidly. The real question is whether that growth can deliver economic and technological benefits without shifting its costs onto the communities that host it.]]></description>
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<p>NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang has pushed back against claims that the rapid expansion of AI data centers is automatically harmful to communities. His argument is that the enormous investment flowing into AI infrastructure can help finance new power generation, grid upgrades, and other infrastructure that may serve communities beyond the data centers themselves.</p>
<p>There is some evidence supporting part of that argument. Major technology companies are increasingly paying for power and infrastructure connected to their facilities. Meta, for example, says it pays for the energy and water used by its data centers and has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in water and wastewater infrastructure. These investments can provide broader infrastructure benefits when they are structured properly.</p>
<p>Huang has also highlighted changes in data-center cooling. New AI facilities can use closed-loop liquid-cooling systems that circulate the same coolant repeatedly instead of constantly consuming fresh water for cooling. Meta says most of its newest AI-optimized facilities use this approach, while other new projects are also adopting low-water or air-assisted cooling designs.</p>
<p>But saying that AI data centers have little or no local environmental impact would go too far. Their electricity demand is substantial, and the effect can vary dramatically depending on the location, power system, cooling technology, and available water resources. During the 2026 U.S. heatwave, utilities and regulators raised concerns that data-center growth was advancing faster than some electricity and water infrastructure could expand.</p>
<p>Public concern is also measurable. A September 2026 survey of 3,424 U.S. adults found that 63% were very or extremely concerned that data centers could increase electricity prices, while 57% expressed similar concern about local water supplies. The same survey found that 53% were highly concerned about AI&#8217;s overall environmental impact.</p>
<p>The debate is becoming important enough that governments are responding. California recently enacted legislation requiring greater oversight of data centers, including issues involving electricity costs and water use. The European Commission has also proposed rules requiring large European data centers to disclose energy and water-efficiency information.</p>
<p>The reality is more complicated than either AI data centers are destroying communities or AI data centers have no environmental cost. Some facilities are investing heavily in energy, water, and grid infrastructure, while others can place significant pressure on local systems. The outcome depends on how projects are designed, who pays for new infrastructure, where the electricity comes from, and how scarce local resources are managed.</p>
<p>AI infrastructure is growing rapidly. The real question is whether that growth can deliver economic and technological benefits without shifting its costs onto the communities that host it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 22:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Dq6E5B9r1/

Modern society increasingly depends on data centers. They power cloud computing, digital services, AI systems, online communication and countless businesses. 

But unlike clean water, data centers are not a biological necessity for human survival. 

That distinction becomes important as electricity and water demand from rapidly expanding digital infrastructure receives greater attention. Some data centers consume substantial amounts of water directly for cooling, while others use air cooling, closed-loop systems or alternative technologies. 

At the same time, communities around the world face water scarcity, pollution and increasing pressure on freshwater resources. 

The question is therefore larger than technology itself: how should societies balance digital infrastructure growth with essential environmental resources? 

The answer isn&#039;t necessarily to stop building data centers. It is to consider where they are located, how efficiently they use water and electricity, and whether alternative cooling and water-reuse systems can reduce their environmental footprint. 

Technology serves society—but essential resources ultimately sustain it. 

#WaterSecurity #DataCenters #AIInfrastructure #Sustainability #CleanWater]]></description>
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<p>Modern society increasingly depends on data centers. They power cloud computing, digital services, AI systems, online communication and countless businesses. </p>
<p>But unlike clean water, data centers are not a biological necessity for human survival. </p>
<p>That distinction becomes important as electricity and water demand from rapidly expanding digital infrastructure receives greater attention. Some data centers consume substantial amounts of water directly for cooling, while others use air cooling, closed-loop systems or alternative technologies. </p>
<p>At the same time, communities around the world face water scarcity, pollution and increasing pressure on freshwater resources. </p>
<p>The question is therefore larger than technology itself: how should societies balance digital infrastructure growth with essential environmental resources? </p>
<p>The answer isn&#8217;t necessarily to stop building data centers. It is to consider where they are located, how efficiently they use water and electricity, and whether alternative cooling and water-reuse systems can reduce their environmental footprint. </p>
<p>Technology serves society—but essential resources ultimately sustain it. </p>
<p>#WaterSecurity #DataCenters #AIInfrastructure #Sustainability #CleanWater</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 22:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[​If evaluated purely on time spent, direct labor, and energy consumed during the creation of a single file, standard AI image generation is mathematically far less resource-intensive per output than a human creating art from scratch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>​If evaluated purely on time spent, direct labor, and energy consumed during the creation of a single file, standard AI image generation is mathematically far less resource-intensive per output than a human creating art from scratch.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887343</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 06:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The only thing wrong with data centers are the lies that are being told and the people who believe the lies!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only thing wrong with data centers are the lies that are being told and the people who believe the lies!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 06:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Historical Weight: Evaporative cooling was the industry default for hyperscalers built between 2010 and 2021. As a result, major operators report that 70% to 80% of their direct operational water footprint still stems from evaporative cooling towers running at these established sites.
​Regional Split: Evaporative cooling remains concentrated in temperate regions where ambient humidity permits high-efficiency evaporative economizers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historical Weight: Evaporative cooling was the industry default for hyperscalers built between 2010 and 2021. As a result, major operators report that 70% to 80% of their direct operational water footprint still stems from evaporative cooling towers running at these established sites.<br />
​Regional Split: Evaporative cooling remains concentrated in temperate regions where ambient humidity permits high-efficiency evaporative economizers.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887341</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 06:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking across all operational hyperscale facilities globally, open/indirect evaporative cooling accounts for roughly 45% to 55% of active capacity, while closed-loop systems (dry cooling and liquid-to-chip) make up 45% to 55%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking across all operational hyperscale facilities globally, open/indirect evaporative cooling accounts for roughly 45% to 55% of active capacity, while closed-loop systems (dry cooling and liquid-to-chip) make up 45% to 55%.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2012/04/18/how-clean-is-your-cloud-and-telecom/comment-page-23/#comment-1887340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 06:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Niblett I very highly doubt that data centres will be in orbit in any short time any significant replacement for data centers in the ground. There are big engineering and logistic challenges with data centers on orbit. There will be some small scale data centers in the orbit, but I highly doubt that they would represent anything more than drop in the ocean of total data center capacity. 
Elon Musk&#039;s orbital data center strategy aims to bypass Earth&#039;s land, water, and power grid constraints by leveraging Starship, Starlink, and xAI. However, the economic and practical viability of orbital compute will depend on solving thermal radiation, radiation hardening, and orbital debris management at scale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Niblett I very highly doubt that data centres will be in orbit in any short time any significant replacement for data centers in the ground. There are big engineering and logistic challenges with data centers on orbit. There will be some small scale data centers in the orbit, but I highly doubt that they would represent anything more than drop in the ocean of total data center capacity.<br />
Elon Musk&#8217;s orbital data center strategy aims to bypass Earth&#8217;s land, water, and power grid constraints by leveraging Starship, Starlink, and xAI. However, the economic and practical viability of orbital compute will depend on solving thermal radiation, radiation hardening, and orbital debris management at scale.</p>
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