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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2019/10/16/dmx-512-led-light-teardown/comment-page-1/#comment-1776977</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2022 18:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If I gave you unlabeled 500’ pieces of each, could you tell the difference?&quot; 
Yes with right tools I can measure the difference. TDR, VNA or oscilloscope+signalsource

&quot;Most DMX (which is electrically EIA-485) transmitter chips are specified to give at least 1.5 volts across a 54 ohm termination, making a Zo (diff impedance, not resistance) of 50-75 totally fine, irrespective of the length of the run.&quot;

Drivers will drive it OK that&#039;s true. But the reflections from 75 ohms cable wired to 120 ohms terminator can be serious issue. If cable is 75 ohms, the terminator should be close to 75 ohms to keep the signal reflection monsters out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I gave you unlabeled 500’ pieces of each, could you tell the difference?&#8221;<br />
Yes with right tools I can measure the difference. TDR, VNA or oscilloscope+signalsource</p>
<p>&#8220;Most DMX (which is electrically EIA-485) transmitter chips are specified to give at least 1.5 volts across a 54 ohm termination, making a Zo (diff impedance, not resistance) of 50-75 totally fine, irrespective of the length of the run.&#8221;</p>
<p>Drivers will drive it OK that&#8217;s true. But the reflections from 75 ohms cable wired to 120 ohms terminator can be serious issue. If cable is 75 ohms, the terminator should be close to 75 ohms to keep the signal reflection monsters out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2019/10/16/dmx-512-led-light-teardown/comment-page-1/#comment-1776969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2022 09:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using &quot;audio&quot; cables for DMX will work right up until the day it doesn&#039;t and you won&#039;t know why. Could be many different things that create noise enough to affect the DMX signal, but it will happen eventually. Same goes for DMX &#039;Y&#039; cables, they will work until they don&#039;t and nothing will change except the day and possibly the location.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using &#8220;audio&#8221; cables for DMX will work right up until the day it doesn&#8217;t and you won&#8217;t know why. Could be many different things that create noise enough to affect the DMX signal, but it will happen eventually. Same goes for DMX &#8216;Y&#8217; cables, they will work until they don&#8217;t and nothing will change except the day and possibly the location.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2019/10/16/dmx-512-led-light-teardown/comment-page-1/#comment-1776968</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2022 09:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there are different cable types used for XLR cable with different specifications. Cable types that are appropriate for DMX512 usage will have a nominal characteristic impedance of 120 ohms (or close to it in 100-120 ohms range). 
Modern AES/EBU compatible XLR cables are 110-120 ohms, so right for DMX-512. Many cables designed for just analog audio are typically between 45 and 80 ohms (which is not right for DMX-512 but can work on short runs and when you are lucky)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are different cable types used for XLR cable with different specifications. Cable types that are appropriate for DMX512 usage will have a nominal characteristic impedance of 120 ohms (or close to it in 100-120 ohms range).<br />
Modern AES/EBU compatible XLR cables are 110-120 ohms, so right for DMX-512. Many cables designed for just analog audio are typically between 45 and 80 ohms (which is not right for DMX-512 but can work on short runs and when you are lucky)</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2019/10/16/dmx-512-led-light-teardown/comment-page-1/#comment-1702636</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THORNBURY
DMX 192 Controller Unboxing and Programming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyV1CjHoJ2U&amp;feature=youtu.be]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THORNBURY<br />
DMX 192 Controller Unboxing and Programming<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyV1CjHoJ2U&#038;feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyV1CjHoJ2U&#038;feature=youtu.be</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2019/10/16/dmx-512-led-light-teardown/comment-page-1/#comment-1692621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite similar looking light tested:

3KV test of cheap disco light with circuit analysis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyO4xq23zDs

This light was generously sent by Aramus for our edutainment.  It&#039;s a classic eBay/aliexpress/amazon special and actually usable for some applications, but does have the usual hazards associated with cheap imported products.
The unit is a very good demonstration of cost optimisation.

The electrical separation and testing of these products is not up to Euro-American standards.  If using them with other DMX lights I&#039;d strongly recommend isolating them on their own buffer to avoid the risk of damage to other lights in the event that mains voltage finds its way onto the DMX network.
As stand alone lights they have their uses.  A single colour can be set by adjusting the RGB levels using the buttons on the back.  To store each intensity setting you have to press &quot;enter&quot; before moving onto the next adjustment.  If a colour is set and stored then the lights will automatically light in that colour at power up.  The way they run the LEDs and the fact that they are all in series means that LED failure is almost guaranteed in regular use.  But at the price they could be classed as disposable.
As with many of these lights that cram too much functionality into a small processor, they have their limitations.  They often rely on the DMX controller putting out a full 512 channel frame to allow time to process their effects after grabbing their channels of data.  If the DMX is not what they were expecting they can sometimes glitch or not work at all.
Many of the units are made by small manufacturers who buy components like cases and PCBs from other sources, so if you have 20 seemingly identical lights, some may have different software and behave differently.
It&#039;s not uncommon for lights like these to crash and glitch their memory settings resulting in data being spewed onto the DMX network causing a data conflict and knocking out an entire section of lights.
The combined capacitive current leakage from a run of these lights could potentially give a strong shock from a network cable and affect operation of other lights.

This light did pass a 3kV isolation test, but the construction of the transformer with low voltage windings laid directly across mains voltage windings is an issue.  Ideally the transformers would be wound with double insulated wire or have sleeves where wires cross and extra separation tape.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite similar looking light tested:</p>
<p>3KV test of cheap disco light with circuit analysis.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyO4xq23zDs" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyO4xq23zDs</a></p>
<p>This light was generously sent by Aramus for our edutainment.  It&#8217;s a classic eBay/aliexpress/amazon special and actually usable for some applications, but does have the usual hazards associated with cheap imported products.<br />
The unit is a very good demonstration of cost optimisation.</p>
<p>The electrical separation and testing of these products is not up to Euro-American standards.  If using them with other DMX lights I&#8217;d strongly recommend isolating them on their own buffer to avoid the risk of damage to other lights in the event that mains voltage finds its way onto the DMX network.<br />
As stand alone lights they have their uses.  A single colour can be set by adjusting the RGB levels using the buttons on the back.  To store each intensity setting you have to press &#8220;enter&#8221; before moving onto the next adjustment.  If a colour is set and stored then the lights will automatically light in that colour at power up.  The way they run the LEDs and the fact that they are all in series means that LED failure is almost guaranteed in regular use.  But at the price they could be classed as disposable.<br />
As with many of these lights that cram too much functionality into a small processor, they have their limitations.  They often rely on the DMX controller putting out a full 512 channel frame to allow time to process their effects after grabbing their channels of data.  If the DMX is not what they were expecting they can sometimes glitch or not work at all.<br />
Many of the units are made by small manufacturers who buy components like cases and PCBs from other sources, so if you have 20 seemingly identical lights, some may have different software and behave differently.<br />
It&#8217;s not uncommon for lights like these to crash and glitch their memory settings resulting in data being spewed onto the DMX network causing a data conflict and knocking out an entire section of lights.<br />
The combined capacitive current leakage from a run of these lights could potentially give a strong shock from a network cable and affect operation of other lights.</p>
<p>This light did pass a 3kV isolation test, but the construction of the transformer with low voltage windings laid directly across mains voltage windings is an issue.  Ideally the transformers would be wound with double insulated wire or have sleeves where wires cross and extra separation tape.</p>
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