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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2021/06/05/us-electrical-power-dangers/comment-page-7/#comment-1883307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 07:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1GDEsMuvjd/

The fire marshal sees this one every winter, and the owners never see it coming.

UL and NFPA have flagged extension cord use as one of the leading causes of EV charging fires in single-family homes. The problem is duty cycle. A vacuum or space heater runs in short bursts. A Level 1 EV charger draws near-maximum current for the entire overnight charge, which turns a slightly undersized cord into a slow-burning fuse.

The math is brutal. A 16-gauge cord at 12 amps for 10 hours dissipates around 60 to 90 watts as heat along its length. Coil that cord on a garage floor or run it under a rug and the heat has nowhere to go. Surface temperatures can climb past 175°F before the plug melts.

Plug the EV directly into a dedicated 15 or 20 amp wall outlet. If the cord won&#039;t reach, install a closer outlet or upgrade to a Level 2 240V circuit. Never use a power strip, never use an indoor extension cord, and never coil any cord while charging.

Even a heavy 12-gauge outdoor cord is a temporary fix, not a solution. The National Electrical Code treats a charging extension cord as a code violation in most installations. [JT256]

Comments:

Gotta have at least a 12 ga wire and preferably a 10 ga]]></description>
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<p>The fire marshal sees this one every winter, and the owners never see it coming.</p>
<p>UL and NFPA have flagged extension cord use as one of the leading causes of EV charging fires in single-family homes. The problem is duty cycle. A vacuum or space heater runs in short bursts. A Level 1 EV charger draws near-maximum current for the entire overnight charge, which turns a slightly undersized cord into a slow-burning fuse.</p>
<p>The math is brutal. A 16-gauge cord at 12 amps for 10 hours dissipates around 60 to 90 watts as heat along its length. Coil that cord on a garage floor or run it under a rug and the heat has nowhere to go. Surface temperatures can climb past 175°F before the plug melts.</p>
<p>Plug the EV directly into a dedicated 15 or 20 amp wall outlet. If the cord won&#8217;t reach, install a closer outlet or upgrade to a Level 2 240V circuit. Never use a power strip, never use an indoor extension cord, and never coil any cord while charging.</p>
<p>Even a heavy 12-gauge outdoor cord is a temporary fix, not a solution. The National Electrical Code treats a charging extension cord as a code violation in most installations. [JT256]</p>
<p>Comments:</p>
<p>Gotta have at least a 12 ga wire and preferably a 10 ga</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2021/06/05/us-electrical-power-dangers/comment-page-7/#comment-1882119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2026 13:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Under UL 943, a Class A GFCI designed for personal protection must trip when a ground fault between 4 mA and 6 mA is detected.
​The US chooses this ultra-sensitive window because it sits right below the &quot;let-go&quot; threshold. 
The US philosophy is: Stop the shock before the user is physically paralyzed by the current.

​A current of 30mA passing through the human body can be lethal if it is sustained for several seconds.
​However, modern European 30\text{ mA} RCDs are strictly required to disconnect the circuit incredibly fast—typically in under 40 milliseconds at full rated current.
​At 40 milliseconds, a 30\text{ mA} current is well inside the &quot;Zone AC-3&quot; of the IEC safety curve. In this zone, you will feel a nasty, painful shock and muscle contraction, but the risk of your heart going into fatal ventricular fibrillation is practically zero. Europe’s philosophy isn&#039;t &quot;prevent you from feeling a shock,&quot; it is &quot;prevent the shock from stopping your heart before the breaker clears.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under UL 943, a Class A GFCI designed for personal protection must trip when a ground fault between 4 mA and 6 mA is detected.<br />
​The US chooses this ultra-sensitive window because it sits right below the &#8220;let-go&#8221; threshold.<br />
The US philosophy is: Stop the shock before the user is physically paralyzed by the current.</p>
<p>​A current of 30mA passing through the human body can be lethal if it is sustained for several seconds.<br />
​However, modern European 30\text{ mA} RCDs are strictly required to disconnect the circuit incredibly fast—typically in under 40 milliseconds at full rated current.<br />
​At 40 milliseconds, a 30\text{ mA} current is well inside the &#8220;Zone AC-3&#8243; of the IEC safety curve. In this zone, you will feel a nasty, painful shock and muscle contraction, but the risk of your heart going into fatal ventricular fibrillation is practically zero. Europe’s philosophy isn&#8217;t &#8220;prevent you from feeling a shock,&#8221; it is &#8220;prevent the shock from stopping your heart before the breaker clears.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2021/06/05/us-electrical-power-dangers/comment-page-7/#comment-1881917</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 21:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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Pole Transformer: Gearbox for Electrons (E510)  #chrisboden #comedy #engineering #educational #science #highvoltage #power #energy

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<p>Pole Transformer: Gearbox for Electrons (E510)  #chrisboden #comedy #engineering #educational #science #highvoltage #power #energy</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2026 13:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Battery-Powered Air Conditioners Take a Load Off the Grid New Yorkers participate in virtual power plant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battery-Powered Air Conditioners Take a Load Off the Grid New Yorkers participate in virtual power plant<br />
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2021/06/05/us-electrical-power-dangers/comment-page-7/#comment-1879292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2026 13:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Electricians don&#039;t fear electricity.

We fear who wired it before us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electricians don&#8217;t fear electricity.</p>
<p>We fear who wired it before us.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Pooja</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 11:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post with valuable insights. Many people ignore basic information, which can lead to confusion later. Well-explained content like this helps readers make better and more informed decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post with valuable insights. Many people ignore basic information, which can lead to confusion later. Well-explained content like this helps readers make better and more informed decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2026 08:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://bryanhindmanelectric.com/blog/schneider-electric-panel-recall]]></description>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2026 08:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can You Install Mix Brands of Breakers on the Same Electric Panel

https://www.electricaltechnology.org/2026/03/use-different-brand-breaker-in-panel.html

Can You Install Circuit Breakers from Different Manufacturers in the Same Electrical Panel?
You may have noticed that circuit breakers from different manufacturers can physically fit into the breaker slots of an electric panel made by another brand. For example, the size of a 1-pole Homeline breaker (by Square D – Schneider) and a BR breaker (by Eaton) is typically 1 inch per pole.

Similarly, the size of a 1-pole QO breaker (by Square D) and a CH breaker (by Eaton) is ¾ inch per pole. Because of these similar dimensions, they may appear to fit into the same 1-pole breaker slot.

However, the real question is “Should you install a breaker from a different manufacturer in a panel just because it physically fits onto the busbars? Let’s find out below.

When it is Allowed
While it is not a good practice to install mixed breakers in a panel, but you can do it as it is allowed by Code when approved and UL listed as per NEC 110.3(B).

Some manufacturers produce classified breakers that are tested to work in other panels. These “Classified Breakers” are approved by UL to use in a panel manufactured by different brand.

However, the breaker must specifically state compatibility on its label and the panel documentation must allow it.

In case of Square D panels and breakers, they print the following or similar statement with the panel documentation as shown below.

“Use of other than Square D® circuit breakers may adversely affect user safety and impair reliability. Schneider Electric disclaims all liability for damage, injury or non-performance caused by the use or failure of non-Square D circuit breakers.”

When it is Not Allowed
A specified breaker cannot be used as a replacement or installed in a panel manufactured by a different brand. Specified breakers are those approved by the manufacturer to be installed only in their own panels, not in panels made by other manufacturers.

For example, Leviton smart breakers can only be installed in Leviton smart load centers. Similarly, breakers from other brands (when not listed or approved for that panel) should not be installed in a panel manufactured by a different company.

The panelboard nameplate or the wiring diagram inside the panel door lists the exact breaker types permitted for that load center. Therefore, always use the breaker types and brands specified on the panel label when replacing or installing new breakers.

Breakers from different brands even with same rating may look similar but differ in bus stab contact design, spring tension, heat dissipation, trip characteristics and mechanical retention.

Because of these differences, an incompatible breaker may cause, poor busbar contact, excessive heating, arcing at the stab, breaker not tripping correctly and fire hazard.

NEC 110.3(B) states that equipment must be installed and used according to the manufacturer’s listing and labeling instructions.

In practice this means, each panelboard is tested and listed with specific circuit breakers. Similarly, the manufacturer publishes a list of approved breakers for that panel. In this case, using breakers not on that list violates the listing.

So even if a breaker clips onto the bus stab and appears to fit, it may not be approved for that panel. To avoid the possible troubles in the future, you should not install mix brands of breakers on the same panel.

When an inspector finds mismatched circuit breakers (a mix of different brands such as Cutler-Hammer, Square D, Challenger, Leviton, General Electric, ITE, and Siemens) especially in older panels, they often include a note in the inspection report similar to the following.

“This panel contains circuit breakers that were not manufactured by the same company as the panel itself. Panel manufacturers typically void their warranty when breakers from other brands are installed. In addition, this practice may void the panel’s Underwriters Laboratories (UL) listing and could lead to equipment failure, property damage, or personal injury. We recommend evaluation by a licensed electrician and repair, modification or replacement as necessary.”

Good to Know:
If a breaker does not fit snugly, don’t force to install it. Otherwise, it can cause arcing and damage to the bus bar.
It is highly recommended to use the exact brand and type specified by the panel manufacturer to ensure safety and code compliance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can You Install Mix Brands of Breakers on the Same Electric Panel</p>
<p><a href="https://www.electricaltechnology.org/2026/03/use-different-brand-breaker-in-panel.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.electricaltechnology.org/2026/03/use-different-brand-breaker-in-panel.html</a></p>
<p>Can You Install Circuit Breakers from Different Manufacturers in the Same Electrical Panel?<br />
You may have noticed that circuit breakers from different manufacturers can physically fit into the breaker slots of an electric panel made by another brand. For example, the size of a 1-pole Homeline breaker (by Square D – Schneider) and a BR breaker (by Eaton) is typically 1 inch per pole.</p>
<p>Similarly, the size of a 1-pole QO breaker (by Square D) and a CH breaker (by Eaton) is ¾ inch per pole. Because of these similar dimensions, they may appear to fit into the same 1-pole breaker slot.</p>
<p>However, the real question is “Should you install a breaker from a different manufacturer in a panel just because it physically fits onto the busbars? Let’s find out below.</p>
<p>When it is Allowed<br />
While it is not a good practice to install mixed breakers in a panel, but you can do it as it is allowed by Code when approved and UL listed as per NEC 110.3(B).</p>
<p>Some manufacturers produce classified breakers that are tested to work in other panels. These “Classified Breakers” are approved by UL to use in a panel manufactured by different brand.</p>
<p>However, the breaker must specifically state compatibility on its label and the panel documentation must allow it.</p>
<p>In case of Square D panels and breakers, they print the following or similar statement with the panel documentation as shown below.</p>
<p>“Use of other than Square D® circuit breakers may adversely affect user safety and impair reliability. Schneider Electric disclaims all liability for damage, injury or non-performance caused by the use or failure of non-Square D circuit breakers.”</p>
<p>When it is Not Allowed<br />
A specified breaker cannot be used as a replacement or installed in a panel manufactured by a different brand. Specified breakers are those approved by the manufacturer to be installed only in their own panels, not in panels made by other manufacturers.</p>
<p>For example, Leviton smart breakers can only be installed in Leviton smart load centers. Similarly, breakers from other brands (when not listed or approved for that panel) should not be installed in a panel manufactured by a different company.</p>
<p>The panelboard nameplate or the wiring diagram inside the panel door lists the exact breaker types permitted for that load center. Therefore, always use the breaker types and brands specified on the panel label when replacing or installing new breakers.</p>
<p>Breakers from different brands even with same rating may look similar but differ in bus stab contact design, spring tension, heat dissipation, trip characteristics and mechanical retention.</p>
<p>Because of these differences, an incompatible breaker may cause, poor busbar contact, excessive heating, arcing at the stab, breaker not tripping correctly and fire hazard.</p>
<p>NEC 110.3(B) states that equipment must be installed and used according to the manufacturer’s listing and labeling instructions.</p>
<p>In practice this means, each panelboard is tested and listed with specific circuit breakers. Similarly, the manufacturer publishes a list of approved breakers for that panel. In this case, using breakers not on that list violates the listing.</p>
<p>So even if a breaker clips onto the bus stab and appears to fit, it may not be approved for that panel. To avoid the possible troubles in the future, you should not install mix brands of breakers on the same panel.</p>
<p>When an inspector finds mismatched circuit breakers (a mix of different brands such as Cutler-Hammer, Square D, Challenger, Leviton, General Electric, ITE, and Siemens) especially in older panels, they often include a note in the inspection report similar to the following.</p>
<p>“This panel contains circuit breakers that were not manufactured by the same company as the panel itself. Panel manufacturers typically void their warranty when breakers from other brands are installed. In addition, this practice may void the panel’s Underwriters Laboratories (UL) listing and could lead to equipment failure, property damage, or personal injury. We recommend evaluation by a licensed electrician and repair, modification or replacement as necessary.”</p>
<p>Good to Know:<br />
If a breaker does not fit snugly, don’t force to install it. Otherwise, it can cause arcing and damage to the bus bar.<br />
It is highly recommended to use the exact brand and type specified by the panel manufacturer to ensure safety and code compliance.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2021/06/05/us-electrical-power-dangers/comment-page-6/#comment-1870465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2026 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With Great power
Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin
Shocking.
https://futurism.com/electricity-usa-expensive-decaying

The US electrical grid is facing a stress test like never before. Thanks to a perfect storm of AI power consumption, climate crisis, crony capitalism,  and a president bent on uprooting perfectly good energy infrastructure, the country’s already-struggling power system is rapidly crumbling as costs balloon into the stratosphere.

A recent analysis by Bloomberg underscores just how dire it’s getting. In the country’s largest continuous grid — a 13-state monstrosity managed by PJM Interconnection LLC — the media company notes that power costs have set record highs for two years in a row.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Great power<br />
Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin<br />
Shocking.<br />
<a href="https://futurism.com/electricity-usa-expensive-decaying" rel="nofollow">https://futurism.com/electricity-usa-expensive-decaying</a></p>
<p>The US electrical grid is facing a stress test like never before. Thanks to a perfect storm of AI power consumption, climate crisis, crony capitalism,  and a president bent on uprooting perfectly good energy infrastructure, the country’s already-struggling power system is rapidly crumbling as costs balloon into the stratosphere.</p>
<p>A recent analysis by Bloomberg underscores just how dire it’s getting. In the country’s largest continuous grid — a 13-state monstrosity managed by PJM Interconnection LLC — the media company notes that power costs have set record highs for two years in a row.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2021/06/05/us-electrical-power-dangers/comment-page-6/#comment-1863705</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2025 19:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is It Better to Install GFCI Protection in the Electrical Panel or at the Outlet?

https://www.electricaltechnology.org/2025/10/gfci-breaker-gfci-receptacle-outlet.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is It Better to Install GFCI Protection in the Electrical Panel or at the Outlet?</p>
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