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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2022/09/29/phantom-power-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-1871955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2026 12:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rich YR PLEASE explain how this could possibly happen with 48 phantom supply.

I would love to hear how the ground of the mic (the negative DC supply) could cause this, and also how the ground of a phantom mic is different than the ground of a dynamic mic are different.

What does the 48V phantom power have to do with it?  By the very nature of a phanto0m supply, the current is limited  by the resistors in the mic preamp, and the + does not appear on the casing.  If it did, then the 48V would be shorted to ground.

Dynamic mic automatically reject the DC voltage of a phantom supply, which is equal to both pins 2 and 3 of the XLR when phantom voltage is applied

That is NOT the issue, but often blamed by people who have no idea how phantom power works.

Lol phantom power is barely enough to power a small LED.  This is an ungrounded guitar amp most likely.

Andrew Uher 48v can power 9 leds!

Ivan Beaver what if that cable is cut and no longer grounded, what if that pin is GONE. Explain Mr. I only work with grade A equipment paid for by the company I work for and have no idea how a current could mistakenly pass thru a metal object.. SYBAU

Rich YR If the ground wire is broken (or pin missing) a Dynamic mic will operate just fine, because the signal flows between pins 2 and 3.

A phantom powered mic will NOT work, because it has no negative of the power supply which is needed for operation.

But with either mic, if the wire is broken anywhere, then the case is not connected to anything, and therefore would not provide a path for anything, and could not cause what is being demonstrated in the original post.

&quot;If the ground wire is broken (or pin missing) a Dynamic mic will operate just fine&quot;
True
&quot;A phantom powered mic will NOT work, because it has no negative of the power supply which is needed for operation.&quot;
True
&quot;But with either mic, if the wire is broken anywhere, then the case is not connected to anything, and therefore would not provide a path for anything, and could not cause what is being demonstrated in the original post.&quot;
With a phantom powered mic with ground connection cut, there will be 48V phantom power through mic electronics on the mic metal body. 
With dynamic mic, typically the signal wires inside mic are floating not connected to mic body, so no 48V phantom will not get to mic body. But it is possible that some mics can be built with built in center tapped transformer with center tap connected to ground pin - this would let the 48V phantom power to mic case.

Phantom voltage is supplied to the microphone via 6.81kΩ resistors on pins 2 and 3 (the return is pin 1, the cable shield). Pin 1 is typically connected to microphone metal body. If the pin 1 looses ground connection through the cable with classic dynamic microphone nothing happens (potentially mic picks more humming noise). If the microphone is phantom powered or has a built in audio transformer with output center point grounded to pin 1, the 48V phantom power cab get to microphone body.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich YR PLEASE explain how this could possibly happen with 48 phantom supply.</p>
<p>I would love to hear how the ground of the mic (the negative DC supply) could cause this, and also how the ground of a phantom mic is different than the ground of a dynamic mic are different.</p>
<p>What does the 48V phantom power have to do with it?  By the very nature of a phanto0m supply, the current is limited  by the resistors in the mic preamp, and the + does not appear on the casing.  If it did, then the 48V would be shorted to ground.</p>
<p>Dynamic mic automatically reject the DC voltage of a phantom supply, which is equal to both pins 2 and 3 of the XLR when phantom voltage is applied</p>
<p>That is NOT the issue, but often blamed by people who have no idea how phantom power works.</p>
<p>Lol phantom power is barely enough to power a small LED.  This is an ungrounded guitar amp most likely.</p>
<p>Andrew Uher 48v can power 9 leds!</p>
<p>Ivan Beaver what if that cable is cut and no longer grounded, what if that pin is GONE. Explain Mr. I only work with grade A equipment paid for by the company I work for and have no idea how a current could mistakenly pass thru a metal object.. SYBAU</p>
<p>Rich YR If the ground wire is broken (or pin missing) a Dynamic mic will operate just fine, because the signal flows between pins 2 and 3.</p>
<p>A phantom powered mic will NOT work, because it has no negative of the power supply which is needed for operation.</p>
<p>But with either mic, if the wire is broken anywhere, then the case is not connected to anything, and therefore would not provide a path for anything, and could not cause what is being demonstrated in the original post.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the ground wire is broken (or pin missing) a Dynamic mic will operate just fine&#8221;<br />
True<br />
&#8220;A phantom powered mic will NOT work, because it has no negative of the power supply which is needed for operation.&#8221;<br />
True<br />
&#8220;But with either mic, if the wire is broken anywhere, then the case is not connected to anything, and therefore would not provide a path for anything, and could not cause what is being demonstrated in the original post.&#8221;<br />
With a phantom powered mic with ground connection cut, there will be 48V phantom power through mic electronics on the mic metal body.<br />
With dynamic mic, typically the signal wires inside mic are floating not connected to mic body, so no 48V phantom will not get to mic body. But it is possible that some mics can be built with built in center tapped transformer with center tap connected to ground pin &#8211; this would let the 48V phantom power to mic case.</p>
<p>Phantom voltage is supplied to the microphone via 6.81kΩ resistors on pins 2 and 3 (the return is pin 1, the cable shield). Pin 1 is typically connected to microphone metal body. If the pin 1 looses ground connection through the cable with classic dynamic microphone nothing happens (potentially mic picks more humming noise). If the microphone is phantom powered or has a built in audio transformer with output center point grounded to pin 1, the 48V phantom power cab get to microphone body.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2022/09/29/phantom-power-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-1867621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2025 22:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phantom voltage is supplied to the microphone via 6.81kΩ resistors on pins 2 and 3 (the return is pin 1, the cable shield). Pin 1 is typically connected to microphone metal body. If the pin 1 looses ground connection through the cable with classic dynamic microphone nothing happens (potentially mic picks more humming noise). If the microphone is phantom powered or has a built in audio transformer with output center point grounded to pin 1, the 48V phantom power cab get to microphone body.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phantom voltage is supplied to the microphone via 6.81kΩ resistors on pins 2 and 3 (the return is pin 1, the cable shield). Pin 1 is typically connected to microphone metal body. If the pin 1 looses ground connection through the cable with classic dynamic microphone nothing happens (potentially mic picks more humming noise). If the microphone is phantom powered or has a built in audio transformer with output center point grounded to pin 1, the 48V phantom power cab get to microphone body.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2025 06:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2025 06:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2022/09/29/phantom-power-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-1813261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[noise and earth loops can be an issue, but not always. A PC powered from same power source as mixer located next to the mixer usually does not usually have big issues on noise, unless something strange in grounding or very noisy power supply. If device powered with it&#039;t own batteries next to mixer, no problems expected with direct 1/8&quot; to two 1/4&quot; direct cable connection. I have done this many times. I do not recommend to use 1/8&quot; to XLR adapter cables, because with them you can fry the audio out of PC if you accidentially turn on phantom power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>noise and earth loops can be an issue, but not always. A PC powered from same power source as mixer located next to the mixer usually does not usually have big issues on noise, unless something strange in grounding or very noisy power supply. If device powered with it&#8217;t own batteries next to mixer, no problems expected with direct 1/8&#8243; to two 1/4&#8243; direct cable connection. I have done this many times. I do not recommend to use 1/8&#8243; to XLR adapter cables, because with them you can fry the audio out of PC if you accidentially turn on phantom power.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2022/09/29/phantom-power-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-1805450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2023 11:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charging an iPad from Phantom Power
https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82595]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charging an iPad from Phantom Power<br />
<a href="https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82595" rel="nofollow">https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82595</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2022/09/29/phantom-power-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-1801891</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2023 05:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See the Jensen phantom circuit in one of their white papers.  Edit. Here ‘tis:  https://www.jensen-transformers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/as016.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the Jensen phantom circuit in one of their white papers.  Edit. Here ‘tis:  <a href="https://www.jensen-transformers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/as016.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.jensen-transformers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/as016.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2022/09/29/phantom-power-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-1799999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2023 10:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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https://www.sounddevices.com/the-danger-of-applying-phantom-power-to-unbalanced-outputs/]]></description>
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		<title>By: mario</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2023 09:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[XLR to XLR is exclusively used either as a line or a microphone interconnect - P48 would be inconsequential to any devices except ribbon mics.
(Yes I know there is DMX, AES/EBU and a few other protocols, but we are talking audio here, despite wiring being identical and equally safe)

However, plug a line out into a P48 mic in - damage will be NONE and you will be instantly (and loudly!) reminded of how incompetent you are.

Find an instance where XLR line out is not immune to P48 and I may agree with you.
But - you won’t, because standard design mandates it to be DC blocked (with caps) or isolated (transformer). To make it idiot-proof.

Don’t lick connectors! It’s not hygienic, it corrodes contacts.
If you develop a habit and lick a wrong one it may end up being lethal  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XLR to XLR is exclusively used either as a line or a microphone interconnect &#8211; P48 would be inconsequential to any devices except ribbon mics.<br />
(Yes I know there is DMX, AES/EBU and a few other protocols, but we are talking audio here, despite wiring being identical and equally safe)</p>
<p>However, plug a line out into a P48 mic in &#8211; damage will be NONE and you will be instantly (and loudly!) reminded of how incompetent you are.</p>
<p>Find an instance where XLR line out is not immune to P48 and I may agree with you.<br />
But &#8211; you won’t, because standard design mandates it to be DC blocked (with caps) or isolated (transformer). To make it idiot-proof.</p>
<p>Don’t lick connectors! It’s not hygienic, it corrodes contacts.<br />
If you develop a habit and lick a wrong one it may end up being lethal  <img src="http://www.epanorama.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2023 08:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can agree &quot;There is a very valid reason different audio cables/connectors are used for a specific purpose.&quot;

I have to disagree your comment &quot;The whole re-inventing-the-wheel debate is moot if you don’t use cable adaptors EVER.&quot;

Two comments:
1. In very many real live audio applications, especially on temporary setups, you need to use adaptors here and there to get the show running. 
2. Using just same type connectors to same type connectors does not guarantee that things always works as planned. I have damaged equipment with XLR to XLR connections where someone accidentally left on phantom power.

&quot;There are valid reasons we use standards to make things work&quot; 

There are valid reason to have standards and use them. Unfortunately there are many incompatible standards, different manufacturers interpret then differently etc..
Follow standards when you can, and when you can&#039;t you need to adapt and overcome- or cancel the show.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can agree &#8220;There is a very valid reason different audio cables/connectors are used for a specific purpose.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to disagree your comment &#8220;The whole re-inventing-the-wheel debate is moot if you don’t use cable adaptors EVER.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two comments:<br />
1. In very many real live audio applications, especially on temporary setups, you need to use adaptors here and there to get the show running.<br />
2. Using just same type connectors to same type connectors does not guarantee that things always works as planned. I have damaged equipment with XLR to XLR connections where someone accidentally left on phantom power.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are valid reasons we use standards to make things work&#8221; </p>
<p>There are valid reason to have standards and use them. Unfortunately there are many incompatible standards, different manufacturers interpret then differently etc..<br />
Follow standards when you can, and when you can&#8217;t you need to adapt and overcome- or cancel the show.</p>
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