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		<title>By: my cc pay</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2024/08/19/pc-history-floppy-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-1862669</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2025 05:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This info really helps me out .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This info really helps me out .</p>
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		<title>By: my cc pay</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2025 10:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Floppy disks came in three main sizes: 8-inch, 5¼-inch, and 3½-inch, each marking a stage in the evolution of computer storage. The 8-inch floppy, introduced by IBM in 1971, was the first of its kind and primarily used in mainframes and minicomputers, offering limited capacity and a large, fragile design. By the late 1970s, the 5¼-inch floppy became popular with early personal computers like the Apple II and IBM PC, providing greater convenience with capacities ranging from 160 KB to 1.2 MB, though still quite flexible and prone to damage. Finally, the 3½-inch floppy, developed in the 1980s, became the most widely used and recognized format. Enclosed in a rigid plastic shell with a sliding metal shutter, it was more durable and portable, with common capacities of 720 KB and 1.44 MB, making it the standard for software distribution and file storage well into the early 2000s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floppy disks came in three main sizes: 8-inch, 5¼-inch, and 3½-inch, each marking a stage in the evolution of computer storage. The 8-inch floppy, introduced by IBM in 1971, was the first of its kind and primarily used in mainframes and minicomputers, offering limited capacity and a large, fragile design. By the late 1970s, the 5¼-inch floppy became popular with early personal computers like the Apple II and IBM PC, providing greater convenience with capacities ranging from 160 KB to 1.2 MB, though still quite flexible and prone to damage. Finally, the 3½-inch floppy, developed in the 1980s, became the most widely used and recognized format. Enclosed in a rigid plastic shell with a sliding metal shutter, it was more durable and portable, with common capacities of 720 KB and 1.44 MB, making it the standard for software distribution and file storage well into the early 2000s.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2024/08/19/pc-history-floppy-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-1859418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2025 14:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don’t Say This DIY Diskette Was A Flop
https://hackaday.com/2025/08/11/dont-say-this-diy-diskette-was-a-flop/

I Made a Floppy Disk from Scratch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBiFGhnXsh8]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t Say This DIY Diskette Was A Flop<br />
<a href="https://hackaday.com/2025/08/11/dont-say-this-diy-diskette-was-a-flop/" rel="nofollow">https://hackaday.com/2025/08/11/dont-say-this-diy-diskette-was-a-flop/</a></p>
<p>I Made a Floppy Disk from Scratch<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBiFGhnXsh8" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBiFGhnXsh8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2024/08/19/pc-history-floppy-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-1851267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2025 06:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite modern advancements, some Boeing 747-400 aircraft still use 3.5-inch floppy disks to update vital avionics software, including navigation databases. This outdated method persists due to the reliability of the systems and the high cost of upgrading. A fascinating reminder of how legacy technology continues to power aviation today.

#AviationTech #OldMeetsNew #Boeing747 #FloppyDiskEra #NavigationUpdates]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite modern advancements, some Boeing 747-400 aircraft still use 3.5-inch floppy disks to update vital avionics software, including navigation databases. This outdated method persists due to the reliability of the systems and the high cost of upgrading. A fascinating reminder of how legacy technology continues to power aviation today.</p>
<p>#AviationTech #OldMeetsNew #Boeing747 #FloppyDiskEra #NavigationUpdates</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2024/08/19/pc-history-floppy-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-1840148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2024 09:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://hackaday.com/2024/11/30/its-like-lightscribe-but-for-floppies/]]></description>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2024/08/19/pc-history-floppy-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-1838971</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2024 07:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember The Tri-Format Floppy Disk?
https://hackaday.com/2024/11/12/remember-the-tri-format-floppy-disk/

These days, the vast majority of portable media users are storing their files on some kind of Microsoft-developed file system. Back in the 1980s and 1990s, though, things were different. You absolutely could not expect a floppy disk from one type of computer to work in another. That is, unless you had a magical three-format disk, as [RobSmithDev] explains.

The tri-format disk was a special thing. It was capable of storing data in Amiga, PC, and Atari ST formats. This was of benefit for cover disks—a magazine could put out content for users across all three brands, rather than having to ship multiple disks to suit different machines.

How Triple Format PC/ST/Amiga Floppy Disks Worked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPtJf-UQ4Os]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember The Tri-Format Floppy Disk?<br />
<a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/11/12/remember-the-tri-format-floppy-disk/" rel="nofollow">https://hackaday.com/2024/11/12/remember-the-tri-format-floppy-disk/</a></p>
<p>These days, the vast majority of portable media users are storing their files on some kind of Microsoft-developed file system. Back in the 1980s and 1990s, though, things were different. You absolutely could not expect a floppy disk from one type of computer to work in another. That is, unless you had a magical three-format disk, as [RobSmithDev] explains.</p>
<p>The tri-format disk was a special thing. It was capable of storing data in Amiga, PC, and Atari ST formats. This was of benefit for cover disks—a magazine could put out content for users across all three brands, rather than having to ship multiple disks to suit different machines.</p>
<p>How Triple Format PC/ST/Amiga Floppy Disks Worked<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPtJf-UQ4Os" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPtJf-UQ4Os</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2024/08/19/pc-history-floppy-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-1838001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2024 20:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[San Francisco to pay $212 million to end reliance on 5.25-inch floppy disks
Muni Metro also plans to ditch super-slow loop cable communication system.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/212-million-contract-will-finally-get-san-francisco-trains-off-floppy-disks/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGGNxJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHRAm8BfyYeSQeIi5wsGXPPOP2MAXELIaZw-QDkRZmwL0W65eg6IZPi1bew_aem_Dukq_F0YRbh65iPIX5gMHg

The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA) board has agreed to spend $212 million to get its Muni Metro light rail off floppy disks.

The Muni Metro’s Automatic Train Control System (ATCS) has required 5¼-inch floppy disks since 1998, when it was installed at San Francisco’s Market Street subway station. The system uses three floppy disks for loading DOS software that controls the system’s central servers. Michael Roccaforte, an SFMTA spokesperson, gave further details on how the light rail operates to Ars Technica in April, saying: “When a train enters the subway, its onboard computer connects to the train control system to run the train in automatic mode, where the trains drive themselves while the operators supervise. When they exit the subway, they disconnect from the ATCS and return to manual operation on the street.&quot; After starting initial planning in 2018, the SFMTA originally expected to move to a floppy-disk-free train control system by 2028. But with COVID-19 preventing work for 18 months, the estimated completion date was delayed.

Japan’s bullet train, in more than 50 countries. The $212 million contract includes support services from Hitachi for &quot;20 to 25 years,&quot; the Chronicle said.

The SFMTA&#039;s website says that the current estimated completion date for the complete overhaul is &quot;2033/2034.&quot; According to the provided timeline, it looks like the subway technology replacement phase is expected to take place in “2027/2028,” after which there’s an on-street technology installation phase.

Like with other entities, the SFMTA’s slow move off floppy disks can be attributed to complacency, budget restrictions, and complications in overhauling critical technology systems. Various other organizations have also been slow to ditch the dated storage format, including Japan, which only stopped using floppy disks in governmental systems in June, and the German navy, which is still trying to figure out a replacement for 8-inch floppies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Francisco to pay $212 million to end reliance on 5.25-inch floppy disks<br />
Muni Metro also plans to ditch super-slow loop cable communication system.<br />
<a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/212-million-contract-will-finally-get-san-francisco-trains-off-floppy-disks/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGGNxJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHRAm8BfyYeSQeIi5wsGXPPOP2MAXELIaZw-QDkRZmwL0W65eg6IZPi1bew_aem_Dukq_F0YRbh65iPIX5gMHg" rel="nofollow">https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/212-million-contract-will-finally-get-san-francisco-trains-off-floppy-disks/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGGNxJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHRAm8BfyYeSQeIi5wsGXPPOP2MAXELIaZw-QDkRZmwL0W65eg6IZPi1bew_aem_Dukq_F0YRbh65iPIX5gMHg</a></p>
<p>The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA) board has agreed to spend $212 million to get its Muni Metro light rail off floppy disks.</p>
<p>The Muni Metro’s Automatic Train Control System (ATCS) has required 5¼-inch floppy disks since 1998, when it was installed at San Francisco’s Market Street subway station. The system uses three floppy disks for loading DOS software that controls the system’s central servers. Michael Roccaforte, an SFMTA spokesperson, gave further details on how the light rail operates to Ars Technica in April, saying: “When a train enters the subway, its onboard computer connects to the train control system to run the train in automatic mode, where the trains drive themselves while the operators supervise. When they exit the subway, they disconnect from the ATCS and return to manual operation on the street.&#8221; After starting initial planning in 2018, the SFMTA originally expected to move to a floppy-disk-free train control system by 2028. But with COVID-19 preventing work for 18 months, the estimated completion date was delayed.</p>
<p>Japan’s bullet train, in more than 50 countries. The $212 million contract includes support services from Hitachi for &#8220;20 to 25 years,&#8221; the Chronicle said.</p>
<p>The SFMTA&#8217;s website says that the current estimated completion date for the complete overhaul is &#8220;2033/2034.&#8221; According to the provided timeline, it looks like the subway technology replacement phase is expected to take place in “2027/2028,” after which there’s an on-street technology installation phase.</p>
<p>Like with other entities, the SFMTA’s slow move off floppy disks can be attributed to complacency, budget restrictions, and complications in overhauling critical technology systems. Various other organizations have also been slow to ditch the dated storage format, including Japan, which only stopped using floppy disks in governmental systems in June, and the German navy, which is still trying to figure out a replacement for 8-inch floppies.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2024/08/19/pc-history-floppy-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-1837903</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Oct 2024 05:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://hackaday.com/2024/10/19/inside-the-rll-hard-drive-protocol/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/10/19/inside-the-rll-hard-drive-protocol/" rel="nofollow">https://hackaday.com/2024/10/19/inside-the-rll-hard-drive-protocol/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2024/08/19/pc-history-floppy-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-1837233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://scarybeastsecurity.blogspot.com/2020/06/weak-bits-floppy-disc-protection.html]]></description>
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		<title>By: Tomi Engdahl</title>
		<link>https://www.epanorama.net/blog/2024/08/19/pc-history-floppy-drive/comment-page-1/#comment-1837232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomi Engdahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PC Floppy Copy Protection: Vault Corporation Prolok
https://hackaday.com/2024/10/11/pc-floppy-copy-protection-vault-corporation-prolok/#comment-8049684

https://martypc.blogspot.com/2024/09/pc-floppy-copy-protection-vault-prolok.html


Because Prolok protection code used the standard disk interrupt vector 13h, it was possible to make anti-Prolok software utilities: one that analyzes the calls related to the protection tests (storing the call parameters + results) and another that simulated those calls without original disk. It was pretty easy to get rid of this &quot;protection&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PC Floppy Copy Protection: Vault Corporation Prolok<br />
<a href="https://hackaday.com/2024/10/11/pc-floppy-copy-protection-vault-corporation-prolok/#comment-8049684" rel="nofollow">https://hackaday.com/2024/10/11/pc-floppy-copy-protection-vault-corporation-prolok/#comment-8049684</a></p>
<p><a href="https://martypc.blogspot.com/2024/09/pc-floppy-copy-protection-vault-prolok.html" rel="nofollow">https://martypc.blogspot.com/2024/09/pc-floppy-copy-protection-vault-prolok.html</a></p>
<p>Because Prolok protection code used the standard disk interrupt vector 13h, it was possible to make anti-Prolok software utilities: one that analyzes the calls related to the protection tests (storing the call parameters + results) and another that simulated those calls without original disk. It was pretty easy to get rid of this &#8220;protection&#8221;.</p>
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