What annoys me today in marketing and media that too often today then talking on hi-fi, science is replaced by bizarre belief structures and marketing fluff, leading to a decades-long stagnation of the audiophile domain. Science makes progress, pseudo-science doesn’t. Hi-fi world is filled by pseudoscience, dogma and fruitloopery to the extent that it resembles a fundamentalist religion. Loudspeaker performance hasn’t tangibly improved in forty years and vast sums are spent addressing the wrong problems.
Business for Engineers: Marketers Lie article points tout that marketing tells lies — falsehoods — things that serve to convey a false impression. Marketing’s purpose is to determining how the product will be branded, positioned, and sold. It seems that there too many snake oil rubbish products marketed in the name of hifi. It is irritating to watch the stupid people in the world be fooled.
In EEVblog #29 – Audiophile Audiophoolery video David L. Jones (from EEVBlog) cuts loose on the Golden Ear Audiophiles and all their Audiophoolery snake oil rubbish. The information presented in Dave’s unique non-scripted overly enthusiastic style! He’s an enthusiastic chap, but couldn’t agree more with many of the opinions he expressed: Directional cables, thousand dollar IEC power cables, and all that rubbish. Monster Cable gets mostered. Note what he says right at the end: “If you pay ridiculous money for these cable you will hear a difference, but don’t expect your friends to”. If you want to believe, you will.
My points on hifi-nonsense:
One of the tenets of audiophile systems is that they are assembled from components, allegedly so that the user can “choose” the best combination. This is pretty largely a myth. The main advantage of component systems is that the dealer can sell ridiculously expensive cables, hand-knitted by Peruvian virgins and soaked in snake oil, to connect it all up. Say goodbye to the noughties: Yesterday’s hi-fi biz is BUSTED, bro article asks are the days of floorstanders and separates numbered? If traditional two-channel audio does have a future, then it could be as the preserve of high resolution audio. Sony has taken the industry lead in High-Res Audio.
HIFI Cable Humbug and Snake oil etc. blog posting rightly points out that there is too much emphasis placed on spending huge sums of money on HIFI cables. Most of what is written about this subject is complete tripe. HIFI magazines promote myths about the benefits of all sorts of equipment. I am as amazed as the writer that that so called audiophiles and HIFI journalists can be fooled into thinking that very expensive speaker cables etc. improve performance. I generally agree – most of this expensive interconnect cable stuff is just plain overpriced.
I can agree that in analogue interconnect cables there are few cases where better cables can really result in cleaner sound, but usually getting any noticeable difference needs that the one you compare with was very bad yo start with (clearly too thin speaker wires with resistance, interconnect that picks interference etc..) or the equipment in the systems are so that they are overly-sensitive to cable characteristics (generally bad equipment designs can make for example cable capacitance affect 100 times or more than it should). Definitely too much snake oil. Good solid engineering is all that is required (like keep LCR low, Teflon or other good insulation, shielding if required, proper gauge for application and the distance traveled). Geometry is a factor but not in the same sense these yahoos preach and deceive.
In digital interconnect cables story is different than on those analogue interconnect cables. Generally in digital interconnect cables the communication either works, does not work or sometimes work unreliably. The digital cable either gets the bits to the other end or not, it does not magically alter the sound that goes through the cable. You need to have active electronics like digital signal processor to change the tone of the audio signal traveling on the digital cable, cable will just not do that.
But this digital interconnect cables characteristics has not stopped hifi marketers to make very expensive cable products that are marketed with unbelievable claims. Ethernet has come to audio world, so there are hifi Ethernet cables. How about 500 dollar Ethernet cable? That’s ridiculous. And it’s only 1.5 meters. Then how about $10,000 audiophile ethernet cable? Bias your dielectrics with the Dielectric-Bias ethernet cable from AudioQuest: “When insulation is unbiased, it slows down parts of the signal differently, a big problem for very time-sensitive multi-octave audio.” I see this as complete marketing crap speak. It seems that they’re made for gullible idiots. No professional would EVER waste money on those cables. Audioquest even produces iPhone sync cables in similar price ranges.
HIFI Cable insulators/supports (expensive blocks that keep cables few centimeters off the floor) are a product category I don’t get. They typically claim to offer incredible performance as well as appealing appearance. Conventional cable isolation theory holds that optimal cable performance can be achieved by elevating cables from the floor in an attempt to control vibrations and manage static fields. Typical cable elevators are made from electrically insulating materials such as wood, glass, plastic or ceramics. Most of these products claim superior performance based upon the materials or methods of elevation. I don’t get those claims.
Along with green magic markers on CDs and audio bricks is another item called the wire conditioner. The claim is that unused wires do not sound the same as wires that have been used for a period of time. I don’t get this product category. And I don’t believe claims in the line like “Natural Quartz crystals along with proprietary materials cause a molecular restructuring of the media, which reduces stress, and significantly improves its mechanical, acoustic, electric, and optical characteristics.” All sounds like just pure marketing with no real benefits.
CD no evil, hear no evil. But the key thing about the CD was that it represented an obvious leap from earlier recording media that simply weren’t good enough for delivery of post-produced material to the consumer to one that was. Once you have made that leap, there is no requirement to go further. The 16 bits of CD were effectively extended to 18 bits by the development of noise shaping, which allows over 100dB signal to noise ratio. That falls a bit short of the 140dB maximum range of human hearing, but that has never been a real goal. If you improve the digital media, the sound quality limiting problem became the transducers; the headphones and the speakers.
We need to talk about SPEAKERS: Soz, ‘audiophiles’, only IT will break the sound barrier article says that today’s loudspeakers are nowhere near as good as they could be, due in no small measure to the presence of “traditional” audiophile products. that today’s loudspeakers are nowhere near as good as they could be, due in no small measure to the presence of “traditional” audiophile products. I can agree with this. Loudspeaker performance hasn’t tangibly improved in forty years and vast sums are spent addressing the wrong problems.
We need to talk about SPEAKERS: Soz, ‘audiophiles’, only IT will break the sound barrier article makes good points on design, DSPs and the debunking of traditional hi-fi. Science makes progress, pseudo-science doesn’t. Legacy loudspeakers are omni-directional at low frequencies, but as frequency rises, the radiation becomes more directional until at the highest frequencies the sound only emerges directly forwards. Thus to enjoy the full frequency range, the listener has to sit in the so-called sweet spot. As a result legacy loudspeakers with sweet spots need extensive room treatment to soak up the deficient off-axis sound. New tools that can change speaker system designs in the future are omni-directional speakers and DSP-based room correction. It’s a scenario ripe for “disruption”.
Computers have become an integrated part of many audio setups. Back in the day integrated audio solutions in PCs had trouble earning respect. Ode To Sound Blaster: Are Discrete Audio Cards Still Worth the Investment? posting tells that it’s been 25 years since the first Sound Blaster card was introduced (a pretty remarkable feat considering the diminished reliance on discrete audio in PCs) and many enthusiasts still consider a sound card an essential piece to the PC building puzzle. It seems that in general onboard sound is finally “Good Enough”, and has been “Good Enough” for a long time now. For most users it is hard to justify the high price of special sound card on PC anymore. There are still some PCs with bad sound hardware on motherboard and buttload of cheap USB adapters with very poor performance. However, what if you want the best sound possible, the lowest noise possible, and don’t really game or use the various audio enhancements? You just want a plain-vanilla sound card, but with the highest quality audio (products typically made for music makers). You can find some really good USB solutions that will blow on-board audio out of the water for about $100 or so.
Although solid-state technology overwhelmingly dominates today’s world of electronics, vacuum tubes are holding out in two small but vibrant areas. Some people like the sound of tubes. The Cool Sound of Tubes article says that a commercially viable number of people find that they prefer the sound produced by tubed equipment in three areas: musical-instrument (MI) amplifiers (mainly guitar amps), some processing devices used in recording studios, and a small but growing percentage of high-fidelity equipment at the high end of the audiophile market. Keep those filaments lit, Design your own Vacuum Tube Audio Equipment article claims that vacuum tubes do sound better than transistors (before you hate in the comments check out this scholarly article on the topic). The difficulty is cost; tube gear is very expensive because it uses lots of copper, iron, often point-to-point wired by hand, and requires a heavy metal chassis to support all of these parts. With this high cost and relative simplicity of circuitry (compared to modern electronics) comes good justification for building your own gear. Maybe this is one of the last frontiers of do-it-yourself that is actually worth doing.
2,465 Comments
Tomi Engdahl says:
Dr. Sean Olive Calls Out Reviewers for Misusing the Harman Target Curve
https://www.headphonesty.com/2024/10/sean-olive-calls-misuse-harman-target-curves/
Tomi Engdahl says:
https://www.headphonesty.com/2024/11/memes-every-music-lover-feel-deep-soul/
Tomi Engdahl says:
For digital, nowadays it’s very very hard to bring errors into a USB interface. Jitter doesn’t really happen nowadays and even if the waveform is heavily distorted, edge detection is not gonna be an issue for the circuitry. I’m mostly speaking USB 2.0 and up. For ethernet and HDMI there are error correction protocols so even if you somehow induce an inappropriate digital package, either it won’t matter because the packages are accepted at a speed way beyond your comprehension or something will straight out break. Sure, transmission line issues come about with higher frequencies but that’s why things like twisted pairs exists on ethernet cables. Seriously, we work with high frequency specialized lab equipment at my work and somehow that’s able to provide real-time feedback through a 3 meter ethernet cable at up to a 100MHz with standard Cat5 cable and HDMI can go up to 1GHz nowadays and provide both video and audio. Funnily enough, the cables that give out the most are old coaxial video cables, because a current interface connection at high frequencies is extremely volatile and the moment the screening gets damaged even a little bit, everything fails.
From comments at https://www.facebook.com/share/p/198t3i9WNM/
Tomi Engdahl says:
I have never seen audiophool speaker cables or cable lifters in professional studios. The end…
Tomi Engdahl says:
Digital stuff has error correction and clock regeneration etc. So not an issue there, despite the snake-oil salesmen trying to tell you otherwise.
Tomi Engdahl says:
Also not really related to high end audio, but capacitance does play a role in instrument-level signals. Try playing a guitar through a long cable and/or pedalboard without proper buffering and it will sound like crap.
Tomi Engdahl says:
Martti JN that’s true, also applies to phono cables, particularly for MM cartridges.
Tomi Engdahl says:
The limits of my spending are more in the “worlds best cables” on Amazon. They’re shields are single side grounded and they use good wire/connectors. The only time I ever noticed a difference after upgrading was a 25′ RCA run near a bunch of power cables.
Bare basics work, fancy cables do not.
Capacitance and inductance figure in too. Imagine a pair of balanced audio cables running 1000′ carrying audio from a radio station studio to the transmitter. The amplifier at the studio end has a 600 ohm output impedance, and the device at the other end has a 600 ohms input impedance. This circuit will have significantly more loss at 15Khz than at 1 KHz, so the highs will be rolled off. There is different phase shift as well, so group delay is all over the map. One trick is to use audio transformers at each end to step down to 150 ohms, which changes the characteristics a lot. But if you look at the figures from the Belden catalog you can do the math. We often used Belden 8451. There is a bigger cable with lower capacitance I think, which changes the effect. Cables do matter over distance. Not so much in your living room.
Tomi Engdahl says:
You would have to convince people who think a USB cable can change the sonic qualities of digital content. It’s a religion for them, so there’s no talking sense into them.
Tomi Engdahl says:
The digital stuff is all 0′s and 1′s. High, or low. There is no in between. Either the signal makes it there, or it doesn’t. Drop a few along the way and error correction algorithms pick up the slack.
If it works well enough for literally all of the worlds critical data, I can promise it’s going to work for a sound system. A $5 ethernet cable is going to work just as well as a $5,000 audiophile one for digital signals. The rest is aesthetics.
Tomi Engdahl says:
Biology and neuroscience are also relevant here. Because even if there are measurable differences anywhere, the human brain might not be able to perceive them. This is why 99% of expensive cables are a scam.
Tomi Engdahl says:
Um, wut?
The issue isn’t “differences “in cables. There are going to be some very slight differences just due to things like wire size, impedance, length, etc..
The problem is claiming bullshit like cables actually impart qualities like “air “or “an open soundstage” or have some sort of quantum bullshit properties that will drastically improve your system – and then charging a 10,000% markup on 25 cents worth of copper and rubber.
Tomi Engdahl says:
I need to remind people that the reactance of a speaker is above one ohms. So changing resistance has no affect using any reasonable wire. The spades i like over banan but this is not audible. No cable is going to have capacitance that will affect frequency response. Maybe inductance would be ppm ….
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/198t3i9WNM/
Tomi Engdahl says:
Old myths, new tech, and stubborn pride keep one of audio’s biggest breakthroughs misunderstood.
Full story: https://www.headphonesty.com/2025/10/why-audiophiles-dont-trust-class-d-amps/