Audiophile Ethernet cables snake oil

I have earlier posted about Audio trends and snake oil. What annoyed then and still today in marketing and media that too often today then talking on hi-fi, science is replaced by bizarre belief structures and marketing fluff. It seems that there too many snake oil rubbish products marketed in the name of hifi. It is irritating to watch the stupid people in the world be fooled with things like exotic materials, directional cables, thousand dollar IEC power cables, and all that rubbish. “If you pay ridiculous money for these cable you will hear a difference, but don’t expect your friends to”

I can agree that in analogue interconnect cables there are few cases where better cables can result in cleaner sound. And there are very many cases where there is no objectively noticeable difference.

In digital interconnect cables story is different than on those analogue interconnect cables. Generally in digital interconnect cables the communication either works, does not work or sometimes work unreliably. The digital cable either gets the bits to the other end or not, it does not magically alter the sound that goes through the cable.

But this digital interconnect cables characteristics has not stopped hifi marketers to make very expensive cable products that are marketed with unbelievable claims. Ethernet has come to audio world, so there are hifi audiophile Ethernet cables that do not make sense to me. With Ethernet the data either gets through the cable without any changes to it, or it does not get through at all. Ethernet has checksum on every data packets to detect for any errors (which are rare) in the transmission and all the packets that have data changed in any any way are discarded. So Ethernet cable can not not magically slightly alter the digital sound that goes through the cable.

Here are links to two articles on such expensive audiophile Ethernet cables:
Is streaming cable more or less expensive than $1000 audiophile snake-oil ethernet cable ?
https://audiobacon.net/2019/11/02/the-jcat-signature-lan-a-1000-ethernet-cable/

Gallery: We tear apart a $340 audiophile Ethernet cable and look inside
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/gallery-we-tear-apart-a-340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-and-look-inside/

Apart from the absurdly high price tag and more mechanically robust connectors, I see nothing special on those cables for carrying the data signal. I suppose those does look quite attractive to some users and this makes them willing to pay the high price.

Despite the fact that some people desperately want there to be audiophile Ethernet cables, there simply is no such thing. The IEEE standards do not include a superset of specifications that make a regular Cat-7 cable into an “audiophile” Cat-7 cable. If you still believe those “audiophile Ethernet” cables sounding better, please inform yourself how an Ethernet and Ethernet cable works.

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64 Comments

  1. Tomi Engdahl says:

    There’s also this by Rod Elliott, if you want something slightly easier to digest: https://sound-au.com/articles/capacitors.htm

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  2. Tomi Engdahl says:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/DIYAudio/permalink/5489072734491861/

    All technically correct. Must assume modern capacitors are made differently than they were 40+ years ago. Time for a reevaluation?

    So true actually. Most caps these days are used for power supply bypassing and filtering. The quality of ones that are in the signal path are far better than ones 40 years ago. Also the materials used today are less diverse and packaging has changed as well. Still all valid info in the article though, and worth the read!

    Modern capacitors work the same today as they did in 1980. This paper covers mature and proven technology that will never need a reevaluation. The paper is difficult to read and hard to understand for an audio amateur, DIY Audio homebrewer, and laymen. Perhaps it could be transcribed and re written without all the hi math in a way so that more people could understand, benefit, and apply it.
    .
    Skip the math and technicals unless you are designing a circuit. His discussions are quite clear without them and apply now as then to the currently available cap offerings.

    The most important takes: Most of the discussions about which cap is better for what are foobah based. Electrolytics for power supplies, foil rather than filp caps for speakers (far more current capacity), poly caps are not high frequency limited,

    Ok. Very good Larry.

    I might add mylar polyester caps for small signal op amp and transistor audio circuits. And, never ever use the old “ceramic disk” caps in or near any audio circuit.

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  3. Tomi Engdahl says:

    Not directly related to the cable, but in your case I’d check the output resistance of the phono stage, to make sure it can drive such long cables without sigbificant high frequency loss…

    many Le Pacific Phono Preamp circuit plans I found with Google seem to have quite high output impedance, around 2 kohm typically. That high output impedance can easily cause attenuation of high frequencies due cable capacitance and cable picks electrical noise more easily than some other designs. A preamplifier that is designed to properly handle longer cables (low output impedance, preferably balanced) is much less sensitive to cable related issues.

    http://diyaudioprojects.com/Solid/JFET-Phono-Preamplifier-Kit/diy-jfet-riaa-phono-preamp.html
    http://www.klaus-boening.de/le%20pacific.htm
    http://www.next.gr/circuits/Le-Pacific-JFET-Phono-Preamp-for-MM-and-MC-Cartridges-l24644.html

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  4. Tomi Engdahl says:

    They even tried to get Linus to be an audiophile.
    If you dont watch it, this network switch improves audio quality.

    It’s time for some hard truth
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NMFQ3YvR3Eo

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  5. Tomi Engdahl says:

    Audiofiles are the new flat earthers.

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  6. Tomi Engdahl says:

    $800.00 for a network switch that costs $30.00. They don’t even rebadge them. They claim this ETHERNET NETWORKING SWITCH immediately improves audio quality.

    https://aqvox.de/index_en.html

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  7. Tomi Engdahl says:

    Audiophile logic – the more it costs, the better it sounds.

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  8. Tomi Engdahl says:

    It’s time for some hard truth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMFQ3YvR3Eo

    Every industry has its fair share of people and companies aiming to perfect the craft… but that aim has lead to a number of shady snake oil solutions that don’t actually improve anything. Today, we look at one of those.

    CHAPTERS
    —————————————————
    0:00 Intro
    1:41 What is this thing?
    2:57 Their claims
    6:14 Testing their claims
    11:09 Teardown
    15:04 Why it doesn’t work
    17:39 Why people are still buying it

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  9. Tomi Engdahl says:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/avdisasters/permalink/5508445685950564/

    So this guy is doing audiophile network switch tests, and banned me for saying either 0101011 get from a to b or they don’t
    https://www.facebook.com/MMHiFi

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  10. Tomi Engdahl says:

    An electrical study of single-ended analog interconnect cables
    https://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jece/papers/Vol.%2016%20Issue%206/Ser-1/E1606014053.pdf

    Abstract:The influence of interconnecting cables on an audio system’s performance is a controversial issue.
    This is partly because commonly measured parameters such as resistance, reactance, frequency response, and
    common distortions do not show meaningful differences. Thepresent electrical studyof line-level single-ended
    (unbalanced) analog interconnects, provides a more comprehensive picture surpassing the common
    specifications. It was found that uncommon time-domain effectssuch as reflection sequences and non-ideal
    capacitive behavior, along with noise, can better distinguish the electrical performance of interconnects of
    different grades.
    Key Words:High-end audio; High fidelity; Hifi; Hi-fi; Cables; Interconnects; Psychoacoustics

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